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T2 invention and using copies

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lombodo
Arc Energy Inc
#1 - 2014-05-25 20:28:30 UTC
Just a quick one,

If I copy a blueprint for T2 invention. What difference does it makes having just the default 1 run or setting the copy to have the max licensed runs like the original?
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-05-25 20:34:48 UTC
For modules you'll get that proportion between 1 and 10 runs on the T2 copy. It's usually 300 for most modules, giving you 10 runs in the final T2. For ships it's 1 run regardless I think, so you only need 1 run copies. I don't make ships so someone else will be able to confirm.
lombodo
Arc Energy Inc
#3 - 2014-05-25 21:04:42 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
For modules you'll get that proportion between 1 and 10 runs on the T2 copy. It's usually 300 for most modules, giving you 10 runs in the final T2. For ships it's 1 run regardless I think, so you only need 1 run copies. I don't make ships so someone else will be able to confirm.


ak ok, just confirming so for modules - rule of thumb is if you want the max runs on the T2 then jsut use BPC's that have 300 runs, unless one feels like gambling?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2014-05-25 21:31:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
If your T1 BPC has XX% of max runs of the T1 BPO, you will get a T2 BPC that is XX% of (max runs / 10) of the T2 BPO.

The only time you don't want to use a max run BPO: when the max runs on the T2 BPO is 10 or less.

The only times you don't want to use max runs:
* Ships larger than frigates (with a T2 BPO max run of 10 or less).
* Rigs (which take a long time to copy, but this will be changing July 22nd)

To see a T2 BPO, just type the name in chat, highlight it (left-click and hold), and right-click auto-link it. [Not all T2 BPO exist in game, but you can still link them.]
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-05-26 06:59:28 UTC
lombodo wrote:
ak ok, just confirming so for modules - rule of thumb is if you want the max runs on the T2 then jsut use BPC's that have 300 runs, unless one feels like gambling?


No, and there's no gambling about it.

Modules, drones, ammo, you want max run BPCs (and it's not always 300)
Rigs and ships, 1 run is sufficient as you get the same T2 BPC regardless of whether a 1 run or max run BPC was used
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-05-26 09:53:52 UTC
Thanks for this thread it cleared something up for me as well. But in my case I keep getting -4 -4 me and pe. Do I need to use decryptors for drones and ammo?

Cheers

(ps I just started my first t2 production)

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-05-26 11:13:33 UTC
You'll always get -4, -4 without decryptors no matter what you're inventing. That has nothing to do with the max runs which you asked about.

Now, whether or not you want to use a decryptor is entirely another matter
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#8 - 2014-05-26 11:46:27 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Thanks for this thread it cleared something up for me as well. But in my case I keep getting -4 -4 me and pe. Do I need to use decryptors for drones and ammo?

Cheers

(ps I just started my first t2 production)



(bear in mind, this is all changing in Crius)

If you want better than -4,-4, yes, you have to use a decryptor.

However, decryptors come with a sometimes significant cost. With modules and ammo, it's generally not worth using.

Check the math with a calculator (such as the one on my site Blink)

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Quadpush
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-05-26 18:07:57 UTC
Quote:
Do I need to use decryptors for drones and ammo?

Some ammo blueprints benefit from either "symmetry" or "accelerant" decryptors.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2014-05-26 19:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Example of "old school" manual method of calculating which decryptor to use:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1114937#post1114937

EDIT: Note that there do exist rig BPO with higher runs than currently available.
Che Hondo
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#11 - 2014-05-26 23:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Hondo
You may also wish to consider decryptor-created extra runs will increase production duration, so may better fit your daily online times.
Also, extra % costs from decryptors are rounded down. They are sometimes cheaper than you may expect.
Vovan Sotkin
Berserk Production and Distribution
#12 - 2014-07-09 07:58:41 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:



(bear in mind, this is all changing in Crius)



Is there any changes for invention max run in Crius, besides the teams?
Cant find more info on it.
Thanks
Owl Claw
Star League
#13 - 2014-07-09 16:39:36 UTC
I read that invention will only use up one run on a BPC and you will get max run on the 22nd can anyone confirm this?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#14 - 2014-07-09 16:57:27 UTC
Owl Claw wrote:
I read that invention will only use up one run on a BPC and you will get max run on the 22nd can anyone confirm this?




Correct.

you'll get 10 from modules/ammo/drones/everything else you get 10 from
you'll get 1 from rigs and ships.

you'll use up 1 run from a blueprint copy (though the bpc will remain in use until the job completes)

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Owl Claw
Star League
#15 - 2014-07-09 18:07:29 UTC
In that case, Can you set it to do multiple invention? and will you get the discount for multiple invention? Like manufacturing.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-07-09 18:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
No. One invention per job.

Bear in mind that invention and RE are getting a more comprehensive overhaul after Crius
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2014-07-10 15:48:44 UTC
Yah. Each invention attempt will reduce the number of remaining runs on a T1 BPC by 1. So there is actually a benefit to using max-run BPCs to invent T2 rigs, in that you don't have to burn up all your research lines just making copies. Do it once and voila! Copies for life! (I exaggerate. But you get the point.)

Its really very time efficient, too. Because you will be able to do multiple consecutive runs off those BPCs, theoretically you can put all 10 BPCs into the cooker, and assuming you have the datacores and decryptors available, set them to run until they are all completely consumed. Come back in... what 4 months? Have ~1500 T2 BPCs waiting.

More realistically, I imagine folks will just set up a couple days worth of invention jobs.

That being said, your T2 rig BPCs will always be 1-run unless you use a +runs decryptor, which usually is not worth it due to the cost of materials.

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