Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Trying to kill multiple birds with a single stone?

Not bad

I would love to see ground pounders take on the Sansha. It would be like zombie wave mode. Connecting and tying these two mechanics together would be a huge undertaking but a lot of fun

I like it

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I support this idea, this could be the intermediate link Dust/legion needs to set a next step in integrating both games together.

It would also add an extra dimension to incusrions, allowing it to get some fresh content with some more/new events/sites based around these groundforces like the ones Commander A9 suggests.
The PvE side can also be an incentive for attracting some new players, who enjoy teamwork in a PvE enviroment (both in dust/legion as in eve)

All in all it would help to enrich the eve universe, both in stuff to do as in possible lore interactions, a move I support heartily.

Oh yea! This would be awesome! It wouldnt be hard to come up with all sort of different types of matches. Having something like a planet based MTAC factory that could even work a lot like the capture the flag matches that already exist.

They dont really have to do much to make it possible. They just have to make a diffeent category that works similar like FW on dust. Either you sign up for concord or sansha's nation. You earn LP and can spend that on fancy suits, weapons etc.

several issues on the first read through with this that make it a poor sell by any standard.

(capitals denote emphasis on keypoints not 'loud voice')

first, it deals with null sov and passes it into the hands of another domain, dust and eve are independent games that work as a team simply because they can, not because they must - 2 games not 1.

planets mean very little to space bound empires, we rule the space, not the planets in it, and for the most part there's nothing on those planets we care about beyond PI, we have no reason or need to use them for anything else nor would one be welcome.

if you want to fight over IHUBS board the damn IHUB. it's in space, where it's most convenient to oversee space, for the capsuleers that use them, the dust bunnies if anything yield to this fact not capsuleers to them. do not force a change to one game to make another more appealing, design the newer game to make use of features already present in the older so that they work in greatest cohesion in a way that makes the most sense to both teams.

(CAPSULEER boards an IHUB with a transport ship and - through a new EvE contract mechanic this in turn activates a mission option available to DUST players - move the soldiers to the target not the target to the soldiers)

extending this: again you're fighting over timers, we (players) hate that mechanic, we tolerate it because we must to allow what is a fair playing field, to design warfare mechanics around them is not advisable. if anything limit missions to targets that have meaning already before trying to rearrange pre existing systems to give meaning to stuff that doesn't exist.

for example: attack pos towers and stations to disable mining and production, raid PI factories to destroy or requisition resources, disable IHUB infrastructutre without impacting sovereignty/ownership itself. all of these things allow micro level cooperation as well as major operations, secure planet resources and offload them to the ship in orbit before making an escape, etc etc.

avoid systems that only function on the premise that there will be a large 'holy crap we can use this to advertise how many people play our game!' encounter the only thing this will cause is too much strain on the players and thier gameplay by having requirements to do any given task too high. (the whole idea of covert ops is so large fights don't need to happen in the first place)

both forms must have thier own UNIQUE functions as part of a SINGLE cohesive whole

it falls to the DUST soldiers to deal with operations where the preferred sheer destruction of capsuleers does not apply, they capture things, sabotage things, steal things in order to weaken capsuleers over time prior to fleet engagements.

it falls to CAPSULEERS to fight over space itself, sovereignty warfare, POS seiges, all of these things involved in removing an enemy presence falls to them. but the two can work in support of each other to make each other's job easier WITHOUT BEING DEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER TO DO IT.

personally, this reeks of the logic we've seen CCP trying to use for the past three years and it really hasn't worked for them, far too focused on the idea that they can make these large numbers happen just for the sake that they can, and ignoring that fact that in trying to force them it's literally squashing out the vast majority of the smaller scale game play elements that make eve playable to begin with.

EvE is not 'we bring thousands of people!' it's 'we could bring thousands of people' it is an option, often a welcome one because we like involving as many as we can, but certainly not a necessity.

Aquilla: I apologise here in the event my post appeared harsh or poorly targeted, i tried to cover as much ground in a single block as i could manage and several points may have gone off center in the process, if so clarify what it is you envisioned and let me know where i was off the mark, and I'll amend my statements as necessary :)

This is a great idea. It would also add new aspects to incursions and open them up for more players. if transport is required, those transports will need plenty of support. I don't think a transport is going to get through a wave of Raa Thalamus alone.

On 'changing lore aspects to fit' aka recton, I doubt this is necessery.

One: Sansha does have groundtroops and deploys them. This was part of the succes of the Nation link tamperings, at some locations capsuleer/players ignored the ground aspect, causing Nation to succeed, while on the locations where people RP'd groundforces being deployed, Nation had no such succes or very limited succes. These uplink events were at the later stages of the sansha live events.
So from live events it's known that groundforces can affect Sansha operations

Two: during the live events, there have been a few occasions where people got a hand on Sansha nanites. Coupled with the fact they don't work isntantly & apparently need a Nation ship close to do their work (as implied in the Uplift chronicle )
You can use this as a way to 'inoculate' troops against Sansha nanites, thanks to progress made over the years of analyzing captured nanites (Nanite wars, creepily close to biological warfare )

So all in all, there's a precedent for Sansha ground trooops and there wouldn't be a need to rewrite lore to make it fit. To explain lorewise why groundtroops are only deployed much later in incursions, you can explain it away as the empires finally discovering an effective nanite to counter the Sansha ones, to inoculate their troops with.
Let this counter-nanite have some drastic long term side-effects and it's perfectly explainable why only dusties/legionnites can use it. Their short lifespan in their physical bodies make sure the long term effects never come into play.