EVE General Discussion

If you really want WIS so bad for of the furturistic look and/or feel of.....walking on a spacestation in space. Then go and play Phantasy Star. That has plenty of it. And it only gets slightly less boring when you're playing it online...

It may be true for some features and to put together all the features on which they had been previously working. Things like nebulaes, warp tunnel and engine trails work comes from further back.

As WoD development continues, at a lower pace, though, I believe CCP will take up WiS again sometime in the future (my bets are that it won't happen before DUST is released)

Call me an over-sentimental, nostalgic dork, but I see this as a difference of attitude. What do I mean? Let me explain very briefly:

I've played this game passionately since 2004 (on a break right now though), so please consider what I am about to say in that time-frame.
It used to be that the various total online count-Milestones, testing scenarios on SiSi, debates about technologies, suggestions for improvements and expansions and so on, were something we accomplished together..by together, I mean CCP and us. We'd accomplish these things different obstacles and milestones by working together and being equally excited on each other's behalf when we achieved something new.
We actually used to work together to some extent. Maybe not necessarily in any focused way, but there was somewhat a sense of cohesion and a sense of "facing down the MMO world together as something to be conquered ,or fought against for our piece of land that was mostly controlled by WoW and games like it". We wanted to be different and show that we were powerful in our own right in that respect.

This brought us really far and got us one victory after the other. Victories I can't blame Hilmar for feeling good about, perhaps even smug and entitled because we really did a good job. However that is only excusable up until the moment you start forgetting how and why you got there. See it wasn't "you", it was "us". EVE belongs to us, the players and the people involved in making it collectively, and that used to be the mantra of CCP.
Somewhere along that line, someone forgot that whole thing and it has permeated the development and direction of the whole thing ever since.

What has all this got to do with WiS? Simple - I contend that if that mantra hadn't been forgotten and if we had kept that cohesion by means of hearing each other out (not just CCP hearing us out, but us hearing them out..takes two people to have a conversation after all) and reasonably factoring in the various points either party has, we wouldn't be in this big a mess.
Sure there is still input from players that makes it to the game, and CCP still communicates somewhat - I don't deny that at all..but there is something wrong with it isn't there? Something about the whole thing is tainted, or "not as it used to be". Things change over time, we all know that and it should, otherwise things will grow stale....But not like this. Its hard to explain, but something just isn't right about the whole thing.

Many have raged, whined, complained (ponies have explained the difference between whining and complaining, remember that!), pleaded and even quit in protest of what has happened along the way. I would say a large chunk of that is justified, I mean sure you get the average forum trolling warrior who deliberately sets himself/herself and others up to hate on CCP. I don't just mean yell loudly, but genuinely hate on CCP because these kind of people (not CCP, the other bunch I was talking about) are irrational, trolling, conspiratorial, over-critical, self-important fruitcakes.
However, considering the complaints, outrage and demonstrations and so forth WITHOUT the aforementioned group, I would say it was and still is the duty of CCP to do what they used to do, and that is to talk to us openly. I know PR is a harsh mistress within CCP and you have to be very careful about what you do and say in public or you'll be lynched, and sure I could even see the reason for that within the context of any standard high-end business..but here is what some may have forgotten. This is EVE and CCP - The charm and selling point of much of this, is its openness ..the willingness to challenge the status quo and for once be human and collaborative with your customers.

Sure, disagreements will happen - Violent disagreements even, they always do, even if you don't talk, so what do you have to lose? Are you really going to say that because it takes effort and a lot of mudslinging, mud-dodging, various ninja moves(!!!) and so forth - to get to that conversation/message, it isn't worth it for what is actually in there? Which is a genuine concern for the state of- and progression of this great game that has taken, at least me, this far and probably beyond...Isn't that worth listening to even if it takes stamina to get to it. I say it is and I also say that you (CCP) have no right to betray that mantra you originally created, but thats my opinion.

Do I say we wouldn't be in any mess at all? No, I can't say that for sure..but I'm fairly confident that we'd be standing somewhere much more vibrant, productive and constructive at this point.

There, thats what I think..or as they say, my 2 cents. Take it over leave it.

EDIT: So much for "explain briefly"

Yes i think you are right on that ,but ccp is wanting to believe us that all this work in their latest expansion/patch is done in 6 weeks.
just to say they care about what we want ,do or say

I'd like to see the development of WiS as well and in light of Crucible I might also suggest that they step away from out dated rule sets in EVE and make it a paid/ Optional expansion. For those of us that think Ambulation will improve EVE, $25 for the add on, for those that like EVE space only, don't buy it. Use projected expack revenue to determine development budget guidelines.

I know CCP said no paid expacks but you have been wrong before CCP and crucible was about that. Things change, adapt or die.

so we pay extra on the fail project called world of darkness
sorry but if CCP implemented WIS as they promised a while ago they didn,t have to cut off their workforce by 20% but increase it by 20%

Ok you got a point!
so every real expansion on Eve will cost us money,looking forward to this

Right????????????

No actually. And nobody said any such thing. You need the content in Crucible to play EVE. It was a content patch.
You don't need Incarna to play EVE. You can spin ships and dock and undock and be a happy little space pirate.

I have faith in the ability of CCP to create a new division and to allocate a budget to that division based on its demand. EVE subs pay for EVE development in an EVE as we know it now state. EVE paid expansions pay for additional EVE and it develops based on demand.

WiS does not have to mean "no FiS". I want FiS and WiS. CCP can deliver both, and I want to know if they still intend to.