Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I finally understand what you are trying to say. Logistics ships create a recursive growth situation, where Side A brings 4 Logi to tank 10 ships, so Side B brings 15 ships to overpower the reps, so Side A brings in more logi to tank the dps, which creates an ever growing cycle of one side constantly bringing more and needing more to win.

Logistics ships are in a particularly potent situation, in that they scale very effectively to really pronounce this effect. Alternatively, EWAR doesn't scale anywhere near was well, as trying to coordinate jams or damps or tracks among a large number targets is very difficult to pull off, although it has been utilized to some success (see ****-you fleets and the like). Your arguing that links, since they are a static benefit to all ships in the fleet, don't create the recursive situation that escalates into enormous numbers. This is precisely why links are NOT a problem in large fleet warfare, although you are strongly delusional if you believe links don't play a pivotal role in fleet vs fleet combat, especially when one fleet is able to neutralize the links of another fleet.

You are right in the notion that links may only be brought into play once. However, the benefits links provide are very much potent enough that your opponent typically must bring their own links or more ships to rebalance the field and successfully engage.

Just because the benefits of a link ship are a one-time boost to the stats of every ship in fleet does NOT mean it isn't a force multiplier contributing to the N+1 game. Instead, it means their contribution to the N+1 game is very well limited to smaller scales of N.

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And as Gregor Parud pointed out, links combine with other force multipliers (like logistics rep ability and ships EHP levels) to have a major impact on the N+1 game at sizes of combat.

I agree, links are a force multiplier, I don't have a problem with force multipliers, merely those that recursively stack. You don't even get stacking penalties from links, you simply get NO benefit from using two of the same thing.

Moving links on grids means that you keep links, except now links are only used by blobs of 30+ people who can easily afford to defend their links, way to kill the functionality of links for a 3 man squad.

Terrible terrible idea with 0 thought put into it.

Nailed it. The arguments in favor of OGB are all so transparently self-serving. In a game where "risk vs. reward" is the mantra, OGB is a ridiculous no risk, all reward outlier.

Or at least have links increase your sig and make probing down easier that should offset the relative safety or providing them.