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Since you are looking at haulers, balance the damn Nereus already!
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FDIC Agent
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-05-23 19:47:15 UTC
Seriously it is too good. Don't pretend like it is balanced. When a damn hauler meant to transport stuff is better at killing frigates than other frigates; YOU KNOW IT IS BROKEN.

CCP what is your thoughts?
Ame Umida
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-05-23 19:59:04 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:
Seriously it is too good. Don't pretend like it is balanced. When a damn hauler meant to transport stuff is better at killing frigates than other frigates; YOU KNOW IT IS BROKEN.

CCP what is your thoughts?


Why? Because it has a large drone bay to defend itself? In other words, the Nereus is too hard to kill because it has 5 mid and 5 low slots AND a "God forbid" drone bay. Don't say "but that's what the turret is for" because that 1 turret ain't gonna do ****.

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FDIC Agent
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-05-23 20:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: FDIC Agent
Ame Umida wrote:
FDIC Agent wrote:
Seriously it is too good. Don't pretend like it is balanced. When a damn hauler meant to transport stuff is better at killing frigates than other frigates; YOU KNOW IT IS BROKEN.

CCP what is your thoughts?


Why? Because it has a large drone bay to defend itself? In other words, the Nereus is too hard to kill because it has 5 mid and 5 low slots AND a "God forbid" drone bay. Don't say "but that's what the turret is for" because that 1 turret ain't gonna do ****.

-1

It shouldn't even have that really. Maybe limit it to salvagers and gas miners is a start. It has the cargo bay to do well in gas sites. It just is very unfair that if a frigate gets close, he is nuked. So we can only kite with terrible damage application.

Change it back to being a more agile version of the Iteron Mk III and it is fixed. Remember when the Dramiel was king of frigates for years and it was not worth flying anything else? So now we want to see those days return? No. I didn't think so.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-23 20:02:50 UTC
If by "balance the Nereus" you mean "Give the other races similarly awesome industrials," I'm all for it.

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FDIC Agent
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-05-23 20:06:43 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
If by "balance the Nereus" you mean "Give the other races similarly awesome industrials," I'm all for it.

-100/10
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#6 - 2014-05-23 20:28:10 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
If by "balance the Nereus" you mean "Give the other races similarly awesome industrials," I'm all for it.


Yesss..... I've been wanting to take an indy out to FW for a while now, but can't bring myself to stoop so low as to fly a Gallente ship to do it....

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Titan Andronicus
Rookie Mission Tax Haven
#7 - 2014-05-23 20:41:04 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:
... When a damn hauler meant to transport stuff is better at killing frigates than other frigates ...


I'm sure there's a caveat to that. I'm certain that with my measly skills I couldn't kill a frigate in my Nereus. But you're in fact stating that anybody flying the Nereus can kill anybody flying any frigate! That is unbalanced. Roll

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Nerlens Nerlens
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-05-23 20:57:45 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:
Ame Umida wrote:
FDIC Agent wrote:
Seriously it is too good. Don't pretend like it is balanced. When a damn hauler meant to transport stuff is better at killing frigates than other frigates; YOU KNOW IT IS BROKEN.

CCP what is your thoughts?


Why? Because it has a large drone bay to defend itself? In other words, the Nereus is too hard to kill because it has 5 mid and 5 low slots AND a "God forbid" drone bay. Don't say "but that's what the turret is for" because that 1 turret ain't gonna do ****.

-1

It shouldn't even have that really. Maybe limit it to salvagers and gas miners is a start. It has the cargo bay to do well in gas sites. It just is very unfair that if a frigate gets close, he is nuked. So we can only kite with terrible damage application.



The gas mining skill lets you equip one gas miner per level, meaning that you have basically two options for gas mining: the venture, which has four effective gas harvesters, or a cruiser with at least five turret slots. Using a ship with one turret slot for gas mining would be terribly stupid.

Flying the battle Nereus means you can't fit warp stabs so you can't escape if you get attacked by anything bigger than a frigate. It's a bait ship, but one that can only deal with solo frigates. It's fine.
FDIC Agent
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-05-23 21:06:49 UTC
I'm just saying a frigate should be able to kill it just fine. Not the other way around. It doesn't even follow the lore of Eve properly.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-05-23 21:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
FDIC Agent wrote:
Seriously it is too good. Don't pretend like it is balanced. When a damn hauler meant to transport stuff is better at killing frigates than other frigates; YOU KNOW IT IS BROKEN.

CCP what is your thoughts?

the dev thread noted that a battle nereus was intentionally viable. hilarious.
Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-05-23 21:13:45 UTC
Marlona's solo Nereus video. I feel that it's relevant to this thread.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#12 - 2014-05-23 21:29:59 UTC
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
Marlona's solo Nereus video. I feel that it's relevant to this thread.


That's awesome! I'd heard about this, but had not seen it.

As for the OP, no. Things like this make Eve great.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#13 - 2014-05-23 21:32:38 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:
Seriously it is too good. Don't pretend like it is balanced. When a damn hauler meant to transport stuff is better at killing frigates than other frigates; YOU KNOW IT IS BROKEN.

CCP what is your thoughts?


It's a lot bigger than a frigate.
Use a cruiser to kill it.
Why should it not be able to defend itself against people wanting free kills?

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FDIC Agent
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-05-23 22:38:34 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
Marlona's solo Nereus video. I feel that it's relevant to this thread.


That's awesome! I'd heard about this, but had not seen it.

As for the OP, no. Things like this make Eve great.

It demonstrates why it needs a nerf. What more evidence to you guys need? I'm just trying to understand what CCP was thinking when they balanced the haulers.
Captain Finklestein
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-05-23 22:44:05 UTC
The thing is, we all know now that Nereus is capable of this. When you are attempting to tackle the Nereus, you must now consider this a risk. You wouldn't attack a mission runner without wondering if he has a point or a web none the less.

I like the unique scenarios this can create. If you see a Badger you know you got him. If you see a Nereus either ship up or take the risk and hope it's not Marlona Sky's alt.

It's just more financially viable for me.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-05-23 22:49:03 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
If by "balance the Nereus" you mean "Give the other races similarly awesome industrials," I'm all for it.


This, this, a thousand times this.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-05-23 22:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Nerlens Nerlens wrote:


Flying the battle Nereus means you can't fit warp stabs so you can't escape if you get attacked by anything bigger than a frigate. It's a bait ship, but one that can only deal with solo frigates. It's fine.



Not so. Dropping battleships and attack battlecruisers with a nereus is kind of a hobby for some people (see: Marlona Sky).

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I'm just saying a frigate should be able to kill it just fine. Not the other way around. It doesn't even follow the lore of Eve properly.


I don't recall, "A frigate can always defeat an industrial," being a pivotal aspect of the lore. Which novel/chronicle is that found in, again?

Historically speaking, battle-industrials have always been a "thing" in Eve. Battle badgers killing a Vagabond is an old favorite of mine, as is the one with the Iteron 5 (pre-industrial rebalance) taking out a Megathron.

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Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#18 - 2014-05-23 22:56:52 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:

It demonstrates why it needs a nerf. What more evidence to you guys need? I'm just trying to understand what CCP was thinking when they balanced the haulers.



They were thinking: "You know what would be great? Let's make a hauler or two that can bait solo small ship PvPers who aren't paying attention into a losing fight, and watch the tears roll in."

Brilliance at work there.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-05-23 23:16:51 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
FDIC Agent wrote:

It demonstrates why it needs a nerf. What more evidence to you guys need? I'm just trying to understand what CCP was thinking when they balanced the haulers.



They were thinking: "You know what would be great? Let's make a hauler or two that can bait solo small ship PvPers who aren't paying attention into a losing fight, and watch the tears roll in."

Brilliance at work there.



Yep. Things like this are what make Eve cool. OP also seems to have a child's understanding of balance in Eve. This is not a game of Internet Space Duels. Just because Ship A fares well against Ship B in a 1v1 doesn't mean it is a "better" combat ship. If you think it does, then by all means, feel free to substitute a Nereus for all your frigate functions, and come back and let us know how you fare. Lol

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Psychoactive Stimulant
#20 - 2014-05-23 23:31:01 UTC
What is with this troll post!?

Imba hauler!!! Hauler OP!!!

Much tears.

Wow.
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