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Site can be reliably completed with one carrier (archon), one cyno rapier (armor tanked with webs and TP), and one tracking dreadnought (we used a nag). I'm pretty sure this is the absolute minimum amount of people required to go into one off these. 2x caps + cyno ship. It may be possible for 2 highly skilled Thanatos to complete thus eliminating the need to siege, but I haven't tested that. In any case 1 carrier won't do it, the cyno ship is necessary, and if you don't bring at least 1 carrier you can't keep the rapier alive to web for the tracking dreadnought. The tracking dreadnought can't hit sometimes without the rapier.

This means that one good multiboxer can clear a site, or more reasonably 1 person pilots each cap and 1 of the two (probably the carrier) has a rapier alt. This means a two way split of whatever the goodies are. If these sites do indeed drop BPCs, and the cruiser sells for a relatively low 200mi,. each guy would get 100 mil for 5 minutes of work. But the risk is sky high. (Also there are minor fuel costs. If you stay in one near area with the capitals it might cost around 5 mil to got to a site. )

I've heard that 4 gank fit faction BS can clear a site. I don't know if they did it self rep or with a logi but lets assume self rep. That necessitates a 4 way split. While it is reasonable to expect a carrier to have a decently trained cyno alt, it is not reasonable to expect the average guy to multibox multiple battleships. So we really are talking about a 4 way split in most cases. Frankly, 4 faction BS won't stand a chance against a roaming gang. They're just as tackled until the thing ends as the capitals. And they're not much cheaper.

A 10 man fleet using relatively cheap ships should also be able to complete the site. This also means tiny shares.

I'm actually worried that people with noobships or unfit t1 frigates can go to a site, set off the timer and moonwalk out.

These mechanics seem to benefit people in isolated lowsec, and people with overwhelming firepower on call. These kinds of people do exist so I would not be surprised if supply wasn't terrible.That assumes that these sites are the source of the BPCs, and people aren't willing to suicide something cheap to destroy the site. It is also highly dependent on spawn rates.

Do these have some mechanic akin to capital escalations?

This is what I was thinking; some of the more established pirate corps should be able to warp a couple dreads, a vindicator, and an oneiros or something into a site, or some sort of small t3 ga

Rise has stated that the new ship BPCs come from belt rats whilst Fozzie has posted that the new LG implants (worse than our current LGs) is part of "a new development in the saga of the pirate research efforts that take place at the Ghost sites."

However difficult and risky these sites are to run, the value of the loot will always be limited by the availability of MG and HG implants.

Used carriers because I cant fly a Vindi :P

Thanny with 3k dps > phoon with 1000.

This is all fine and dandy making them hard, but its basically forcing people to have friends/corp/alliance to complete sites to earn their own ship loot, which is a completely ridiculous notion, you shouldn't force needing groups on people.

I do like that its actually difficult, but The timer needs to be longer or not exist, or you need to be able to at least take it out with 2 ships max, otherwise you fall into the trap of having every one of these sites getting dominated by pirate groups who will take all the loots while you sit and cry yourself to sleep you cant solo it in a 1200 dps hamgu.

Hard is good but I'd rather have my level 4's unnerfed and at the difficulty level of 2007 before level 5 missions came out than a super difficult site in lowsec where I just wait to get ganked.

Remember lowsec is only unpopulated on SiSi and though there are quiter systems, most of them even have 'intel' that announce your boat and your fit from 20 jumps away to your presence.

And lowsec folks are so bad at pvp that they need capital support and 3000 gang mates to shoot one boat.

Maybe capital ships should remain capital in nullsec and wh space where they belong and all goon members rat in titans all day long.

Do you really think that a site that has a potential to drop only a ship bpc has to be done by a group of people? There is risk/reward and i don't see much reward here. Those sites either have to drop something more than bpc and be rewarding if they require a group or require 2-3 ppl max

not one person is making you have to do the sites... if you wish dont do them... you cant solo an incursion... same with these...

FYI we all think group PVE is a good thing

I feel like you guys have never been to lowsec, oragnized big groups = hot drop, every time, all the time. Its a freaking anomaly, not a scanned site, not a DED site, literally something anyone can see and warp too. IIRC these dont drop blueprints copies, its the belt rats and LP stores that will have them. This isnt null sec, you cant make a big group and stay all safe in your system running these. This site is too hard, others however are far too easy.

There are apparently a lot of different types of these out there. I just tried two tonight messing around with nothing better to do, and my experience was different with both of them and nothing like what other people are describing.

I flew a Legion, and the first one went as expected. I was working on breaking the tank of the first ship when the site despawned. No surprise there. Bounties on the ships were 900k. Ships had active tank.

Second one was entirely different. It didn't despawn. I stayed and ran it by myself ( I regret that, it took forever) First wave of 4 ships had a ridiculous passive tank followed by a sizable armor buffer tank. Second wave had a mix of 7 ships. Some of them behaved and had the HP of cruisers despite having the same appearance and name. The BS's were split between the active and passive tank varieties I had observed earlier. Nothing did a significant amount of damage. 900k bounties all around.

I found a Blood Raider Prophecy BPC in the loot box after running the second one, so something resembling a loot table is in place. However, it's obvious these sites are so unfinished there's no telling how they'll turn out.