Ships & Modules

my loki is used in fleets as a dual web tackler

Here is a hint; Go play around with eft and tell me what kind of tank you can get on a rapier versus a Loki. Then look at their DPS.

Additionally, unless it's small gang or blops, you wouldn't bring a rapier, you would bring a hugnin.

mine is the region of 600mil and losing that you also take a hit to your sp, i guess the flexibility and tank and dps is more of a plus over a rapier

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T3 cruisers will out tank any HAC.

As line combat ships, they are incredibly strong. They combine the raw EHP and damage output of battleships with the signature radius, resistance profiles, and application of HACs. Large guns will struggle to apply damage to them and no cruiser short of another T3 can match them for raw power. They are also much more mobile than battleships, and their smaller signature radius makes them far less vulnerable to ever-looming bombing runs or the occasional Dreadnaught escalations.

For armor fleets, they can perform essential support roles while being extraordinarily difficult to kill. Fleets will typically use dedicated webbing and pointing ships to make the primary target easier to apply damage to and prevent them from warping out when they notice your whole fleet has them targeted. This would normally mean Recon ships like the Huginn and the Lachesis, but those have thin tanks and are very difficult to keep alive against opponents that want them dead. A fully bricked out pointing Proteus doesn't have quite as much range, but clocks in at nearly half a million raw EHP with its lowest resistances at 86%. There is no feasible way to blow that up from under the nose of its logistics the way you can blap through a 100k EHP Lachesis.


Their only real Achilles Heels is their capacitor. At the end of the day, they are still essentially cruiser-sized vessels, so heavy neuts from something like an Armageddon are not something they have a good answer to beyond "stay further away than 40km

When it comes to those comparisons, T3s in a Recon-role tend to be much worse at the actual recon, but having upwards of three times the tank. (All numbers are with damnationboosts, expectiing a suboptimal pilot) Since fleet engagements are currently based stronly around *critical mass* (= fielding enough volley damage/dps to kill hostiles before they're saved by logistics), going up against Zealots or Legions makes the difference wether you need to blast through 75k ehp or roughly 180k ehp. If you'd like to shoot that huginn, then you certainly only need to break a 50k-60k ehp tank, but that goes up to 150k using a loki for the same job in an armorgang. Further, they don't overlap tbh since Huginn is a shieldtanker and loki is an armortanker.
In addition, the Legion is basically a tanky zealot with 16% more dps. (6 lasers against 5 with identical boni)

If you compare the neutlegion to the curse, they even got two completely different tasks! The Curse is a shieldtanked longrange neuter, the legion is an armortanked, shortranged one. Tank numbers are around 50k for a curse and upwards of 180k for a legion.

As such, vital recon roles for larger engagements are preferably relying on T3s fitted for that task due to their insane buffer. The armor-webbing-loki is the exception here, it's been used because it is till now the only longrange webbing armorship that isn't a bhaalgorn. The new Ashimmu has good odds to change that for small engagements though.

Edit: realying... gj.
Also apparently mixed up nanogangfits and fleetfits. whatever.

T3s can also do neat things like fit interdiction nullifiers so that the dictors which larger nullsec fleets rely on for tackle can safely be ignored. Give it sig links and it'll take less damage than your command ship in addition to having a lower mass which lets you have more of them in a fleet before travel becomes difficult.

It really depends on the area of space they you're flying in.

For us in particular within WH space the legion is a great ship as it has around 150K ehp, 650 dps of selectable damage type that hits from 0 to 20km.

IF CS warped at 3AU/s they woudl be ok. But they do not.