Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is where your problem lies.

The only "justice" that exists in EvE is that which players make for themselves

Accept this fact. Find like minded people and work towards imposing your version "justice" upon the EvE universe. You may or may not succeed but I have the feeling you'll have a lot more fun trying than running to the forums and expecting CCP to nurse maid you.

For entire topic i'm trying to explain a simple thing. Justice in EVE is impossible without change of rules. And i'm still not sure what's the reason of your misunderstanding - silliness or hypocrisy.

Neither as a matter of fact.

I just don't see why CCP should shift the entire basis of EvE which (as far as I can see) the majority of players are reasonably satisfied with to accommodate you.

If you want to change things get out in-game and try do something about it but don't expect it to happen by sitting on the forums and shouting about how unfair EvE is. As you have no doubt noticed that doesn't tend to end well.

EvE was designed to be a challenging environment if your not up to it find something you enjoy more.

You assume that justice belongs in the hands of someone else in Eve, and hasn't been placed solely within yours the moment you subscribed.

Don't like getting ganked in Eve? 3 options, friend:

1: Quit. It's a PvP game, and you're finding that unsatisfactory.

2: Get smart. Gankers are easy to avoid.

3: Get even. Suicide ganking takes very little effort and draws two types of people: The incredibly bored who have nothing better to do that night, and the incredibly lazy. The incredibly lazy ones are easy to shoot back, and the bored guys will give you a pat on the back for growing a pair.

Yep. That's a brilliant idea. One EVE for normal people, looking for fun and relax, another for hardcore-oriented, where they will be able to kill each other non-stop until the end of times.

Unfortunately reverse engineering of blue framework is not an easy task. Will take some time...

I love how you assume that PvP players aren't normal, looking to relax and have a bit of fun.... Or that we don't think people who mine or run missions every moment they're in the game aren't "hardcore oriented", which I think would be better defined as "Obsessively focused on repeating a single task continuously and efficiently."

This is the core of my belief that rather than try to coerce players to null by nerfing hisec CCP should embrace the fact that many many players wish to live in hisec. there should be viable livings to be made there but the rewards for combat PvP should always be lower than losec anf null. S&I on the other hand should thrive there, but the resources required (such as moongoo) come from losec and null thus guaranteeing that at l;east some players must live in null to produce the stuff.

The large chunk (and it must be lare for it to be a concern) of players who prefer hisec do so for a reason. If they choose to live there then they shouldn't be punished, they should rather be rewarded but less so than those who are in the losec areas or the null space regions. WH's to me are the truly dangerous area and this is reflected in them being the source of T3 goods.

Continually calling to nerf hisec will not push the players who want to live there into losec or null, it'll just push them out of the game. No matter how much the PvP centric players would think 'Great!' this would ultimately kill the game if enough players leave.

There are three options when it comes to dealing with hisec suicide gankers: learn how to avoid getting ganked, learn to deal with being ganked, or get out of hisec.


As for justice, EvE is a sandbox, and anything goes in the sandbox. The only justice in EvE is that which you dish out yourself.


Have you considered trying to corner the market on Catalysts in your region and driving the prices up? Market PvP is still PvP, and if you can make ganking too expensive a pastime, maybe they'll move on.

Perhaps you could join one of their corps, chat channels, etc.? Masquerade yourself as one of them, and then gank them with impunity when the time is right.

Assuming you're a miner, maybe give up some of that yield and trade in your Hulk for a Skiff? The loss in mining yield will easily be made up by the cost of not losing your ship to gankers.

Or for that matter, have you considered operating somewhere where suicide gankers don't? EvE is a big place, and a lot of hisec is relatively quiet.




Fly smart and fit right and you'll likely find EvE a much more enjoyable experience.

All activities in Eve are PvP, trade, manufacture, mining, PI are all PvP as you want to get the best minerals, materials, sales etc above other players. Even missions mean you are presenting yourself as a gank target unless you pay attention and fly fitted for PvP. Being in hisec usually puts off casual attacks except on miners, but that's gankers wanting easy targets.

Your mistake is in thinking that the only way for PvP and PvE to exist in one game is as separate gameplay styles, and not for them to synergize and work well together.

High sec is not a PvE haven. It's where most of the PvE occurs, yes, but all of the good PvE content is outside of high sec. So in turn I could suggest to you that you do the same if you are looking to be the mighty PvE-master in a suitable area. Leave high sec and go ratting in low or null, or go mine there. That's where the good PvE content is.

You're missing the point. Eve is not separated into areas where one type of content or the other occurs. It's homogenous throughout. All areas are equally saturated with content for either PvP or PvE players, with the linear, low effort low reward content focused in high sec and increasing as you spread outwards. High sec is not focused on PvE, null sec is not focused on PvP. They are equal parts of the gameplay in all areas.