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Factional Station Variants*

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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
#41 - 2014-05-19 14:43:54 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer....


None of that seems harsh, and this type of feedback is why we have Test Servers and threads like this one. We are all making the world of Eve, and that should be fun for everyone.


Re: Caldari Constructions/Kaalakiota/Wiyrkomi

This is both a lore and art move. We want to encourage visual variety while offering opportunities for deeper immersion. As there are nearly twice as many Kaalakiota Stations as Wiyrkomi, this is a good way to keep that ideal.

According to Lore, Heth's denunciation and historic association with Caldari Constructions has had a impact on the value of CC real estate. As Kaalakiota has more than 170 other stations, taking money from a friendly non-rival for the privilege of rebranding an undesirable subsidiary is a smart move that simultaneously suggests distance and increases capital.

Both KK and Wiyrkomi are patriotic bloc megacorps. The Seituoda family is known to be in pursuit of diversification, though has not yet been particularly successful in that regard. To help advance their high-end market goals, Wiyrkomi has paid for the higher profile. Constructions took the branding, and Kaalakiota approved.



Many of the other changes suggested here should appearing on Sisi in the next few days. We hope you'll keep an eye out for other suggestions that haven't been addressed.

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Turelus
Utassi Security
#42 - 2014-05-19 17:08:19 UTC
CCP Antiquarian wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer....


None of that seems harsh, and this type of feedback is why we have Test Servers and threads like this one. We are all making the world of Eve, and that should be fun for everyone.


Re: Caldari Constructions/Kaalakiota/Wiyrkomi

This is both a lore and art move. We want to encourage visual variety while offering opportunities for deeper immersion. As there are nearly twice as many Kaalakiota Stations as Wiyrkomi, this is a good way to keep that ideal.

According to Lore, Heth's denunciation and historic association with Caldari Constructions has had a impact on the value of CC real estate. As Kaalakiota has more than 170 other stations, taking money from a friendly non-rival for the privilege of rebranding an undesirable subsidiary is a smart move that simultaneously suggests distance and increases capital.

Both KK and Wiyrkomi are patriotic bloc megacorps. The Seituoda family is known to be in pursuit of diversification, though has not yet been particularly successful in that regard. To help advance their high-end market goals, Wiyrkomi has paid for the higher profile. Constructions took the branding, and Kaalakiota approved.



Many of the other changes suggested here should appearing on Sisi in the next few days. We hope you'll keep an eye out for other suggestions that haven't been addressed.


I'm happy to see the feedback being submitted is being read over and taken on in some cases.
I'm a little miffed about the KK/WK stuff because this seems like once again the lore is being made up/rewritten because CCP wants to make a change which doesn't work unless they do this. It makes sense in some cases to advance the story or create new features but this is as you said (if I understand correctly) that you just wanted more of x type of station skin to be around so you had to make up a reason why Caldari Constructions would suddenly have all their stations painted in a new colour.

If you want the change why not go all the way and write a nice lore piece about Wiyrkomi buying up Caldari Constructions as a whole, it would allow you to move forward with the graphical changes, give the players something to read and make the lore/story feel like things are still happening.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security

SpaceSaft
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#43 - 2014-05-19 22:17:25 UTC
Hey I'm zooming around a bit right now, and I like the stations a lot!

But I do have to say there is a mismatch between exterior and interior. In some aprils fools video you joked about interior design but it's kind of something you should do when you're modifying the exterior so heavily.

To be frank the more uniform the corp look, the more boring and out of the place the skin looks. For example the completely green "republic" skin. Also the unicolor skins are too shiny in my opinion. Makes some minmatar stations look like they are coated in copper, which might look cool but would be ridiculously expensive and not very practical. They need some space dirt Blink .

In contrast to that the ones that have patterns in them look really good.

Also thanks to whoever made the leopard.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#44 - 2014-05-21 08:51:11 UTC
So.... this kinda belongs here, and kinda doesn't.

But the Sansha stations in Stain.... any chance of replacing them with some of the cool Sansha Battlestation models found in certain missions?

They are highly, highly factional stations and right now it seems silly they carry the banners of every other faction in the game but their own.
Turelus
Utassi Security
#45 - 2014-05-21 09:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Turelus
Kuronaga wrote:
So.... this kinda belongs here, and kinda doesn't.

But the Sansha stations in Stain.... any chance of replacing them with some of the cool Sansha Battlestation models found in certain missions?

They are highly, highly factional stations and right now it seems silly they carry the banners of every other faction in the game but their own.

I think this is the same for a lot of the NPC Pirate factions, maybe it is something that can be looked at improving in future.
I'll note I didn't check the all the pirate factions so I'll have to do that shortly but it would be nice to see each Pirate (or I should say no Empire) faction flying their own colours or even station models if art ever had time.

*Edit
Okay some some of the Pirate ones are done like Gurista skins on the Caldari stations, missing on Gallente stations which is a shame but this is a tech issue?

Turelus CEO Utassi Security

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#46 - 2014-05-21 10:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Turelus wrote:
If you want the change why not go all the way and write a nice lore piece about Wiyrkomi buying up Caldari Constructions as a whole, it would allow you to move forward with the graphical changes, give the players something to read and make the lore/story feel like things are still happening.


Seeing as KK already sold off quite a bit of Echelon Entertainment, this would make sense. They could sell off Caldari Constructions as well.

But I think the branding idea works just fine. Like selling off EE assets, selling CC 'hull space' for branding makes perfect sense for a cash-strapped KK. It's hardly unexpected in a capitalist world like the State, stuff like this happens all the time RL. If anything, there should be more examples of this IMO.

I will say that, regardless of whether it's fully sold off or just has its hull space sold for branding, this is an ideal subject for an IC news article.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#47 - 2014-05-21 21:50:36 UTC
CCP Antiquarian wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer....


None of that seems harsh, and this type of feedback is why we have Test Servers and threads like this one. We are all making the world of Eve, and that should be fun for everyone.

Re: Caldari Constructions/Kaalakiota/Wiyrkomi

...

Many of the other changes suggested here should appearing on Sisi in the next few days. We hope you'll keep an eye out for other suggestions that haven't been addressed.


Fair enough. I actually had not consisdered/remembered that KK had sold off several major assets. Quietly getting rid of Caldari Constructions seems like a plausible concept. Regardless, as Turelus hinted at, retconning lore to fit development is already a necessary evil - let's not add to it where we don't need to. This case is one of those few cases where a sensible lore update can be worked in, rather than a retcon.

Anyways, good job on taking feedback. Despite any lore quibbles, the artwork and changes look good.

Katrina Oniseki

Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#48 - 2014-05-22 06:01:01 UTC
Turelus wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
So.... this kinda belongs here, and kinda doesn't.

But the Sansha stations in Stain.... any chance of replacing them with some of the cool Sansha Battlestation models found in certain missions?

They are highly, highly factional stations and right now it seems silly they carry the banners of every other faction in the game but their own.

I think this is the same for a lot of the NPC Pirate factions, maybe it is something that can be looked at improving in future.
I'll note I didn't check the all the pirate factions so I'll have to do that shortly but it would be nice to see each Pirate (or I should say no Empire) faction flying their own colours or even station models if art ever had time.

*Edit
Okay some some of the Pirate ones are done like Gurista skins on the Caldari stations, missing on Gallente stations which is a shame but this is a tech issue?


In the case of Sansha there doesn't even need to be a re-skin. Working models already exist. All that really needs to be for someone to attach an exit hookpoint in the programming for ships to undock.

Very minimal workload compared to the other stations, but it has consistently been overlooked throughout the years :/
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