Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bolded the part which shows you misinterpreted my post. I'm talking about PvE. Which has more than enough of it's own hideous problems besides this, anyways, at the current point in time.

As someone who has in past been active in PvP, I am already quite aware that large and small ships all have their place in both solo and gang combat. That's not the case in PvE, at all. If you want more money in PvE, you usually get a bigger ship.

I would like to reiterate because I don't want it to get lost in this idea.

Miners need more ship progression. Bigger mining ships like an orca with a laser beam attached to its head (strip miner) would not be a bad idea.

Well maybe yes it would but you know what I mean.

WH can easy restrict entry "This ship cannot handle the stress of WH travel because we ran out of duct tape" ... solved

Some cosmetic bling is alright. $70 Monocles, Fancy Ship skins, etc, can provide some content for the "leveling up the raven" crowd. Other "group oriented" activities like incursions and wardecs help introduce them to the other sandbox elements of EvE.

Truly though, the best route, IMHO, is to give them something to care about. Give them sandbox tools to build up their area.

There's a funny irony here too - Gevlon claimed that anyone buying a mount is a moron and deserved only contempt and ridicule. Here, he claims a reason this idea will work is because it's like a mount.

Gevlon, most of the people you sneer down your nose at and imagine yourself superior to are a lot smarter than you, they just realise that playing a game is designed to be fun and that seeing it only as an exercise in collecting pretend money and pursuing some fanciful tribalism is a little odd.

You're basically asking CCP to create something and then say "Here, we think you're so stupid that you will think this is a good idea, please pay us for the privilege of sitting around and openly mocking you for buying into it".

How can you possibly not see what an utterly awful idea this is, at it's base level?

This doesn't seem to me like an argument for why you idea is good, it's only an argument for why your idea is not any worse than a new Boss. Which I don't even actually agree with.

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As it has been explained to you, they won't. The long version was on those 6 removed pages, but to summarize: they won't like the idea to invest a year at least in training and resources for something unusable in their playstyle. This has neither any gameplay-wise positive impact, which you admitted yourself, and doesn't have an appeal like typical mmo fluff. Also it's not something collectible, like a mount in wow, and you can't bring it with you anywhere. It's not an achievement a player can be proud of, but an asset with large maintenance costs. In eve such stuff doesn't work.

This isn't deliberately unfun. It's just something that you don't find fun.

I find mining much more fun than roaming in a frigate. No irony here.

So the idea is to allow people to build a useless titan in highsec for...epeen and money?

I think I need to refer you to an episode of the Jimquisition about this years Game Development Conference and panels on things like how to farm the whales and how to reduce backlash. You're talking about trying to farm the whales (people that spend ridiculous amounts of real cash on a single video game). Granted this typically applies to F2P games but in any event trying to farm whales is an appalling practice and the fact that some devs even have a term for it just goes to show how much trouble video games in general are in if devs are going to be so cynical that they'll stoop to any low and release any garbage as long as you open your wallet and then they'll try to reduce the backlash. The last thing EVE needs is the backlash that will be caused by CCP deliberately trying to milk all the money they can out of players who are going to contribute nothing to EVE and then quit.

You don't make people angry on purpose without a good reason to do so. "I want to see who I can trick into paying for another 6 months" is not a good reason. To not paraphrase but rather quote Jim Sterling in that episode: "Here's a quick panel called how to reduce backlash. If you're a game developer and you're going to do something that's going to cause a backlash, DON'T DO IT!!"

This is probably the most cynical idea ever present in the history of F&I. It's not like you even present this as being a way to keep people in the game, you assume they're still going to quit once they realize you haven't really given them anything worthwhile. It's just a trick to make sure they don't quit until you stick your hand in their wallet a couple more times.

Expensive and rare ships already exist. People who have those interests can try to acquire tournament ships. They have the side bonus of actually being effective ships.