Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Adding moon or PI materials into asteroid mining would require a bit more work on the respective moon mining and PI areas for balancing reasons. Also they would need to be filtered with scanning equipment to avoid senseless clutter on the asteroids. Maybe put them in specific types of asteroids and require different mining and scanning equipment. Of course it could be done, though I'd go one step at a time.

Bots will always exist its apart of and MMO.

We shouldn't restrict a players experience based on an anti-bot mentality. You are basically saying we want to forfeit good mechanics for anti-cheat.

Mining does need to go active to make it more fun and dynamic. Solo mining needs to be more lucrative for players, but not so much to discourage the need to make friends and relationships in eve.

You are just repeating my words. What I was saying is just we should make this mechanics as active and complex to scripting as we can while it on stage of pure concept. The more complex, the better (but no to the point where it will place too much burden on a human player)

You know, I was going to say something along the lines of "But if we pretend bots don't exist a change that seems like a good idea could end up wrecking some part of the game/economy because bots" but nevermind. I think you're right, and I think my mentality was leaning a little toward cart-before-the-horse.

I can't see anything that you can change to make mining fun that won't just kill the profession for the casual player which is frankly who I believe it is intended for. PI can be highly lucrative if you produce the right goods...I like making control towers as a hobby :)

Lets just do not jump to conclusions, what I've said before was, in fact, in attempt to make it better, not to dissuade OP from trying. It's up to him to listen to those words, or not, it's his idea, after all.
And about part of making it better in terms of pure gameplay elements - well, than first thing we should agree on is how exaclty active this redesigned gameplay should be. Meaning, how often it should require player's attention per hour, for example. You know, I don't mine on regular basis, I'd tryied it at some moment in past, including gathering gases in lows, found it rather boring and unprofitable and put it aside for better times. So I don't know how it feels for a full fledged miner to spend several hours per day at it, and how often he would tolerate to be interupted by ingame events he must attend to in pursuite of greater profits from this new mechanics that this wouldn't become too much of a hassle for him.

It's not on me to decide what should or shouldn't be included. If you have ideas to make the concept better, formulate them, add them to the thread and not try to dodge with putting that responsibility on me. It's an open forum to discuss and develop ideas. All I can ask is that people stay on topic. The one's that decide what part of the ideas discussed here are worthwhile or not are CCP and CCP alone.

So elaborate: What would you change or add to my described mechanics to ease your concerns?

As I said, those who mine a lot should first come up with and agree on tolerable frequency of mining process's interruptions by elements of this new mining mechanics that will require player's attention to maintain higher yields. I mean, if it will be some head reposition, than just around how often it should happen(as you see it)? Like, one time per 10mins, or one time per 3 hours. Thats important question as complexity of any minigames or GUI interations that will be proposed should be based on this frequency.

Can't agree with that. They aren't so happy. And even if it is every 10 mins, but all what you have to do is to evaluate some counters/diagrams/color maps and - only if needed - proceed with corrections (and if those events will somehow draw your attention, by voice notification, preferably), than there is nothing too tedious with that, I think. And there could be a realy "tedious" minigame once per 1-3 hours, or once per asteroid, for example.

Well, I'll proceede a little bit further and propose some outlines for new active elements.
1) Any indicatons should be made via color gradients of sort, not via exact numbers. The former is as well human readable as numbers but will give botters additional hard times and error margins. So if it some proportional of ores, for example, than it will be safer to display it as a row of gauges, filled to some extent with corresponding color. And their sequence should be randomized too.
2) There should be some vague set timeframes for periodic event's appearing. Those periodic events needn't to always mean that something must be changed, but mean it quite likely will requre such change. This means that, say, every 10 to 15 mins you receive a voice notification that a new sensor's readings have arrived. You evaluate some diagramas and color maps of those readings and apply some changes if required. The core element here is additional randomization - you can't know when exactly the next possibility for a change occurs, and even so it's only a possibility and you won't probably need to change something - but you have to analyze some obscure (for script) indicators to know it for shure.
3) From time to time some additional user actions are required, so all indications needed must not to be always displayed right in front of your eyes. Original proposal already contains a good example of this approach: you have to rotate 3D view of asteroid to find some hot spot. This also much harder to automate than some 2D layout.