EVE New Citizens Q&A

Buy a carrier and ship your own stuff.
Use jump clones to return to highsec when you can't rat/mine if there are no corp ops.

The other alternative is to give up on making isk all together and only do corp ops, and fly fully -reimbursed ships.

I think she was referring to services like Red Frog, etc.

Also OP, pack light. The more isk you have in assets the more isk you can forget about having or get destroyed.

Join the CFC. We have loads of space to play about in, and for the most part nobody cares is yu whelp into a gatecamp if you do it on your own time. Who needs intel? Just jump in and find out!

On a more serious note though, it sounds like you were in crappy corps. There are plenty of more laid back ones where there none of that "you're not allowed to do this or that", and you can just jump in and enjoy yourself. The real main thing though is don't sweat the losses. They happen, you lose stuff, it's not a big deal. Once you get your head around that, you will find it a lot easier to settle in null. If you sweat every loss and live in fear of what might be waiting one jump away, you'll cripple yourself. Be cautious and aware, sure, but don't fear it.

I used an alt to explore 0.0. After her skills reached a certain point she could fly for hours in 0.0 without seeing another ship.

Cloaking helps a lot, but a well designed gate camp can make it useless. Bubbles are worse.

I learned how to avoid bubbles and GCs on the near side of gates, and that is kind of exciting all by itself. But I still have major problems with far side bubbles and GCs.

In the end, my 'explorer' ended up with 4 kills for 46 losses, but I learned a lot. Most of the ships she lost were Industrials. She had one spectacular success in an industrial, though. She managed to evade a T2 frigate with an Amarr Industrial, but she was down to 20% structure afterwards.

The way I've done it in the past is to make an empty clone, use Estels corp if you don't have standings (make a few spares as well), and JC to your empty clone. Then, when you have been accepted, ask where the nearest medical bay is to your new corps staging station - usually it will be in the staging station or next door. Once in the new corp, change your medical to the staging station, undock and self-destruct your pod.

You will now appear in the staging station or med bay nearby. No need to run gatecamps etc.

This is the fastest and easiest way to get to your new corp mates.

Personally I would make sure I had enough isk or liquidate some assets beforehand and then just buy stuff off corp / alli contracts or in the new station.

One red in system prevents you from ratting? Eh.... start ratting and get a buddy on standby to flush that camper out.

All nullsec alliances that place many soft restrictions upon you just consists of a bunch of losers obsessed with their killboard. It's more fun to join a group that cares less about stats and more about fun. I never got why people think not having 99% efficiency makes you appear weak. Having tons of losses and kills makes you look active and fierce.

If you get scolded for being the first to enter a system and die to a gatecamp you are in a group not worthy of the intel you'd provide by linking the killmail. I live in lowsec but we have one social rule in our corp: nobody gets scolded for losing a ship, even if its in transit. It is what we try to do to other people, it stands to reason others try to kill us! It's really that simple.

As for making money, I dunno... I have issues with nullsec markets too and I absolutely hate dependency on another guy's carrier run. Some planning is involved, which isn't too bad once you have some ISK buffer to work with. Why not get used to lowsec first? I have to say doing PVE / PI in lowsec (on my skillset) makes me enough ISK to pay for my PVP habits, and logistics are far easier due to the absence of bubbles.

This is VERY good advice.

Every 'problem' listed by the OP is a self-inflicted wound and has little to do with Eve Online.


--Unless you are flying a hauler around, why is this an issue? Why would you be so afraid to enter a system unless it was wholly unoccupied?
There is an in game map with tons of information on it. You could also scout in a small, fast ship if you want to move something larger. Being paralyzed to enter a system without intel is excusable for haulers and capitals, but if you are afraid to jump a cruiser into a system blind, then null sec is going to be an unhappy experience.



--Corp contracts are filled by other players, not AI mailmen. Most players are helpful, but they didn't log in just to move your crap around. Or if they do, expect to be paid for the service.
Also, they usually move stuff by jump freighter--how many cynos are you lighting for them? Or is it a matter of dumping stuff on contracts and just expecting it to magically show up the next time you log in? Because the reality is some player has to collect that crap, scout any mid-points, put cyno alts in each with a ship and fuel, light them, execute the jump, recap, and so on to the destination. THAT is what you are asking of corp-mates with contracts to move stuff.
And oh yeah, risk your billion isk ship while you're at it....I don't suppose you're offering to reimburse a JF lost while carrying your cargo? So they're just SOL if they die moving your PI junk?

What is actually more unreasonable? That corp-mates don't rush to risk unfilled, billion isk ships (and several cynos that will be killed along the way) to move one newbs garbage? Or that you might have to wait a couple days for someone to do you a favor, for free, that is essentially wasting their time?


--There are some 7500+ systems in Eve Online. There are many things to do other than rat and mine. If you can't possibly find another system to use, or other things to do- that is not a failing of the game. Every single player deals with the same thing, but few take to the forums in complaint. They simply go to a different system, or do something else for awhile. If one player in one system preventing you from doing one thing becomes a single point of failure for your entire Eve Online, the blame doesn't lie with the game.


--Reasonable is subjective. This isn't high sec with it's outrageous rewards for zero risk, and trade hubs around every corner. The very things the OP is complaining about is pretty much what differentiates high sec from low/null to begin with. Yes, it's remote and the markets aren't exactly Jita. Yes, moving stuff around is risky. Welcome to NOT high sec- you sure you really want to leave high sec?



--I'd kick you too. For one, you aren't even playing Eve by your own admission. So far, the OP has essentially said that when he bothers to sub for this game, no one gives him intel and moves his stuff around, and that is evidence that Eve is somehow broken.

That is not a compelling argument that Eve is at fault. Hundreds of thousands of players have succeeded in leaving high sec over the past 11 years. While it isn't (and shouldn't be) an easy transition, it is by no means the Mount Everest so many make it out to be.

It sounds like you still have a lot to learn and your chosen method is not working out so well for you.

- You should readily make more income than what it's costing you - especially in the space you are operating in.
- Scanning and probing skills should not take long to get down nor do those functions.
- Being locked down (where it's not corp policy) is generally only due to multiple targets in system or the lack of instant undocks and other such safe bookmarks - important things to learn about.
So on and so forth.

As such, I'd recommend some classes and Q&A type activities. E-Uni offers public classes to anyone who wants to attend them and there are plenty of others in various corporations willing to invest a bit of time explaining things.

Here's a calendar link of various classes: http://calendar.eveuniversity.org/

Again, anyone in EVE can attend on our public mumble server to learn about the topics presented but this is just 1 option - you really do need to learn a bit more if you're having this much difficulty.

trial alt account scouts ftw