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Ramona McCandless Silent Vale LinkNet Likes received: 7,384	#361 - 2014-05-19 13:33:03 UTC 1 Xavier Higdon wrote: You started it No need to get so defensive This thread isnt about you, you know "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway "A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Xavier Higdon

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#362 - 2014-05-19 13:38:11 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Xavier Higdon wrote:

You started it

No need to get so defensive

This thread isnt about you, you know

Where's Mallak? Mallak! This is an example of a straw man argument. You see how he has replaced what I said with a totally different argument? He then went on to "refute" that argument as though he was refuting something I had actually said. Now this is, of course, a rather poor attempt at a straw man argument since anybody can just skim through the thread and see that he is not actually quoting me, but such is the issue with these arguments being attempted on persistent forums.

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#363 - 2014-05-19 13:46:39 UTC

Xavier Higdon wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Xavier Higdon wrote:

You started it

No need to get so defensive

This thread isnt about you, you know

Where's Mallak? Mallak! This is an example of a straw man argument. .

No it isnt

Its an ad hominem attack

LRN2LRN

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Xavier Higdon

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#364 - 2014-05-19 14:14:34 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Xavier Higdon wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Xavier Higdon wrote:

You started it

No need to get so defensive

This thread isnt about you, you know

Where's Mallak? Mallak! This is an example of a straw man argument. .

No it isnt

Its an ad hominem attack

LRN2LRN

Well, you're wrong unfortunately. First, it is just an ad hominem. It is not an ad hominem attack. It is also sometimes called an "ad personem argument." Ad hominem is actually short for the Latin phrase "argumentum ad hominem," which translates to something like argument against the man or argument to the man(being a dead language, literal translations are often used when the literal translation does not actually convey the original meaning), and is a logical fallacy used to refute an argument or point of view based on an irrelevant fact or premise of the person making the argument, instead of actually refuting the argument itself.

Your post would have been an ad hominem if you had said, "You're defensiveness obviously means you're wrong." That wouldn't have been a good example of an ad hominem, but at least it would have actually been such.

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#365 - 2014-05-19 14:17:03 UTC

Xavier Higdon wrote:

More boring waffle about how its not my fault that Im wrong

This is supposed to convince me that you're not self-obsessed?

Dear me, is it possible for you to post at all without talking about yourself at length?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#366 - 2014-05-19 14:18:44 UTC

You know, I am starting to have increased appreciation for Josef in this thread.

At least his batshit crazy anti nullsec ranting is concise and to the point. Xavier is just... boring. Wall of text after wall of text. They invented this new thing, called the paragraph?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Priestess Lin

Darkfall Corp

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#367 - 2014-05-19 14:24:35 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

and the asinine, no-life moron chimes in again with his worthless 2 cents.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049

Josef Djugashvilis

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#368 - 2014-05-19 14:25:00 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

If a null-sec player bots in hi-sec, does the botter count towards the hi-sec or the null-sec total?

if he's a null sec player, he won't be in high sec to bot.

your question makes no sense.

Ok, I shall take what you say at face value, so a null-sec player who runs level 4 missions in hi-sec is not really a null-sec player then?

This is not a signature.

Dave Stark

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#369 - 2014-05-19 14:28:14 UTC

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

If a null-sec player bots in hi-sec, does the botter count towards the hi-sec or the null-sec total?

if he's a null sec player, he won't be in high sec to bot.

your question makes no sense.

Ok, I shall take what you say at face value, so a null-sec player who runs level 4 missions in hi-sec is not really a null-sec player then?

obviously not, he's in high sec running level 4 missions. not quite sure how you can be confused about this.

Josef Djugashvilis

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#370 - 2014-05-19 14:38:00 UTC | Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Thank you for the kind words Kaarous, but perhaps I should repeat something I have always tried to convey in my posts, I am not more in favour of or against any sec over another, what I am against is folk from a particular sec declaring that the other sec is ruining the game.

I am as against hi-sec folk who want to be able to unlock and not be ganked as I am against the 'pixel hard-men' who would like to have hi-sec effectively turned into a version of lo - sec / null - sec.

By and large I tend to just go with the flow and accept that CCP set the overall rules that we should all abide by.

Except for ice mining Sad

Oh, and if you can be bothered to search through my posting history, you will notice that I have never asked that null-sec be nerfed in any way, shape or form.

This is not a signature.

Felicity Love

Doomheim

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#371 - 2014-05-19 14:38:55 UTC

Namiene wrote:

In order to compensate the players who live in null and rightfully deserve an increased profit for thier time in game.

Always amazes me the way people sometimes throw around this sense of entitlement, often through their twisted concept of "rights" -- in a game, or otherwise.

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse. ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. )

Josef Djugashvilis

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#372 - 2014-05-19 14:39:40 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

If a null-sec player bots in hi-sec, does the botter count towards the hi-sec or the null-sec total?

if he's a null sec player, he won't be in high sec to bot.

your question makes no sense.

Ok, I shall take what you say at face value, so a null-sec player who runs level 4 missions in hi-sec is not really a null-sec player then?

obviously not, he's in high sec running level 4 missions. not quite sure how you can be confused about this.

I was just curious as many null-sec folk will openly say that they run hi-sec level 4 missions as it is for them, easy risk free isk.

This is not a signature.

Dave Stark

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#373 - 2014-05-19 14:42:28 UTC

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

If a null-sec player bots in hi-sec, does the botter count towards the hi-sec or the null-sec total?

if he's a null sec player, he won't be in high sec to bot.

your question makes no sense.

Ok, I shall take what you say at face value, so a null-sec player who runs level 4 missions in hi-sec is not really a null-sec player then?

obviously not, he's in high sec running level 4 missions. not quite sure how you can be confused about this.

I was just curious as many null-sec folk will openly say that they run hi-sec level 4 missions as it is for them, easy risk free isk.

obviously; why wouldn't you go to high sec to make isk when it provides both the best isk/hour and the easiest way to do it?

Xavier Higdon

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#374 - 2014-05-19 14:47:03 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Xavier Higdon wrote:

More boring waffle about how its not my fault that Im wrong

This is supposed to convince me that you're not self-obsessed?

Dear me, is it possible for you to post at all without talking about yourself at length?

I seem to have upset you. I apologize for that. It has never been my intention to upset anybody in this thread. Please, do forgive me for being so penurious with my empathy. In order to show you that I am trying to be attentive to your plight, feel free to tell me what is wrong. I'm more than happy to listen, and I may even be able to provide you with some relief.


Josef Djugashvilis Likes received: 3,578	#375 - 2014-05-19 14:48:22 UTC Dear Dave, so if a null-sec player also runs a botting op in hi-sec he is obviously not a null-sec player ( your post no: 365 ) but if a null-sec player runs missions in hi-sec he is still null-sec player. How very odd. This is not a signature.

Lucas Kell

Solitude Trading

S.N.O.T.

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#376 - 2014-05-19 14:52:36 UTC

Xavier Higdon wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Xavier Higdon wrote:

You started it

No need to get so defensive

This thread isnt about you, you know

To be fair, he could be paraphrasing, and your posts are so tl;dr that we won't bother checking.

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Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#377 - 2014-05-19 14:52:45 UTC

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

By and large I tend to just go with the flow and accept that CCP set the overall rules that we should all abide by.

Except for ice mining Sad

Agreed, in general. And yes, screw those people.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Xavier Higdon

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#378 - 2014-05-19 14:53:25 UTC | Edited by: Xavier Higdon

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

It is not my obligation to entertain you. If you're looking for entertainment, might I suggest you play the game EvE Online. It can be a fun and exciting experience that many people already enjoy.

I'm also glad to hear that you have heard of paragraphs, though I'm afraid you're confused as to their usage. If you'd like I could try to explain them to you, though I fear you may struggle with comprehending just what they are.

Honestly, however, I fear that you're just upset with me like La Nariz, Ramona and Mallak are. Again, I'm truly sorry for this. As I'm willing to listen to whatever complaints Ramona might have, and in an attempt to find out just why he is upset, I'm also willing to do the same for you. I'm an attentive person, and I'm happy to hear you out. You'll find me to be a most excellent listener. Do you often find yourself upset like this? Do you find that your being upset has negative implications for other areas of your life? Please, tell me.

Dave Stark

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#379 - 2014-05-19 14:57:15 UTC

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Dear Dave, so if a null-sec player also runs a botting op in hi-sec he is obviously not a null-sec player ( your post no: 365 ) but if a null-sec player runs missions in hi-sec he is still null-sec player.

How very odd.

if some one spends most of their time in null sec, they're a null sec player.
if some one spends most of their time in high sec, they're a high sec player.

where they make their isk is irrelevant.


Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. Likes received: 16,296	#380 - 2014-05-19 14:59:21 UTC 3 See, Xavier, if you're going to make an ad hominem attack, and then try to play internet psychologist, at least truncate it a little. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.

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