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A dangerous new direction for CCP

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#1 - 2014-05-18 18:00:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
I trained Min Frig V and Gal Frig V...
CCP nerfs the Dramiel.... INTO THE GROUND.

I trained Battlecruiser V and Command Ships V...
CCP nerfs Heavy Missile Nighthawk.... INTO THE GROUND.

I trained Gallente Battleship V and Marauders V......
CCP names an expansion after my new ship, and no nerfs in sight...


THIS IS CRAZY UPSIDE DOWN LAND?!?!?!

Now with 100% less Troll.
Markus45
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-05-18 18:10:25 UTC
What is the intention - motivation even - in making this post?

Children's books in my day. Children's books today.
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-05-18 18:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Grunanca
Train amarr cruiser 5 and start flying absolution then... I started as minmatar when gallente was the best. Then I was lucky minmatar became best. then came the nano nerf and amarr was best. EVE always changes, get used to it.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-18 18:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
lol, looks like you were to late for every FOTM... Lol

Look at the bright side, once you've trained for everything it won't matter what CCP nerfes next. Pirate

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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CCP Falcon
#5 - 2014-05-18 18:33:14 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
THIS IS CRAZY UPSIDE DOWN LAND?!?!?!


(؛ souoɹʞ ʎoظuǝ noʎ ǝdoɥ ǝʍ


CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2014-05-18 18:36:59 UTC
I trained for broken things. Those things got fixed in favor of someone else.

ME MAD

And thats not a nice thing to call Australia. It's "rightside up normal-land" to them
Orla- King-Griffin
#7 - 2014-05-18 19:18:10 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Tom Gerard wrote:
THIS IS CRAZY UPSIDE DOWN LAND?!?!?!


(؛ souoɹʞ ʎoظuǝ noʎ ǝdoɥ ǝʍ



ShockedThat hurts my brain but it is looking good yes.

Ah shite...
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#8 - 2014-05-18 19:28:50 UTC
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-05-18 19:30:57 UTC
CCP doesn't need to nerf the kronos, it's already a huge under-performer.

1) Terrible range on the weapon system it was designed for, blasters. in bastion, they only do ~475 dps to the farther sanctum spawns, and can't reach almost any spawns with short range ammo

2) Weak capacitor. Kronos has the greatest difficulty running its guns and supporting a large armor repairer, where the other 3 marauders can do so (shields where appropriate) more easily.

3) Low mobility. Gallente blaster battleships like the megathron and vindicator both use decent mobility to allow their short range high tracking weapon systems to get in close, and dish out their damage potential, whereas other race ships have a much longer range, and don't need to get as close. The kronos however, cannot move around while in bastion, forcing it to play a game of stop and go, and leaving it additionally vulnerable in situations like wormhole space.

As far as marauders go,

Angel space: Vargur is top dog, Golem is decent
Sansha/Blood raiders: Paladin is top dog, by a long shot
Serpentis space: Weak to thermal, the Paladin still performs admirably
Gurista space: Golem comes out on top with full kinetic damage and 100% damage application at 70km or 10km.
Drone space: Paladin is top dog
Incursions: Shiny paladin fleet beats everything for vanguards
Solo C4 wormholes: Again, paladins are a beast.

Why does the Paladin so frequently outperform all the others? Because it is the stark opposite of the Kronos with its weapon system. It has very long optimal range that can be quickly switched between medium and long range, with sufficient tracking to still hit npc frigates before they get under the guns. The golem and vargur are decent, but the kronos is just bad.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#10 - 2014-05-18 19:47:00 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:

I trained Battlecruiser V and Command Ships V...
CCP nerfs Heavy Missile Nighthawk.... INTO THE GROUND.



Shame that the Nighthawk is the only command ship in the game Roll
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#11 - 2014-05-18 19:53:04 UTC
Even for a Tom Gerard post, this is marginally 1/10.

Try harder, we know you can do better.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Valterra Craven
#12 - 2014-05-18 19:58:47 UTC
Someone needs to an EVE themed music video to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#13 - 2014-05-18 20:06:05 UTC
I trained all ships and weapons. Whatchu gonna do now CCP?! You got nuthin on ME! You can't do nuthin! Best recognize...
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-05-18 20:32:25 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
CCP doesn't need to nerf the kronos, it's already a huge under-performer.

1) Terrible range on the weapon system it was designed for, blasters. in bastion, they only do ~475 dps to the farther sanctum spawns, and can't reach almost any spawns with short range ammo

2) Weak capacitor. Kronos has the greatest difficulty running its guns and supporting a large armor repairer, where the other 3 marauders can do so (shields where appropriate) more easily.

3) Low mobility. Gallente blaster battleships like the megathron and vindicator both use decent mobility to allow their short range high tracking weapon systems to get in close, and dish out their damage potential, whereas other race ships have a much longer range, and don't need to get as close. The kronos however, cannot move around while in bastion, forcing it to play a game of stop and go, and leaving it additionally vulnerable in situations like wormhole space.

As far as marauders go,

Angel space: Vargur is top dog, Golem is decent
Sansha/Blood raiders: Paladin is top dog, by a long shot
Serpentis space: Weak to thermal, the Paladin still performs admirably
Gurista space: Golem comes out on top with full kinetic damage and 100% damage application at 70km or 10km.
Drone space: Paladin is top dog
Incursions: Shiny paladin fleet beats everything for vanguards
Solo C4 wormholes: Again, paladins are a beast.

Why does the Paladin so frequently outperform all the others? Because it is the stark opposite of the Kronos with its weapon system. It has very long optimal range that can be quickly switched between medium and long range, with sufficient tracking to still hit npc frigates before they get under the guns. The golem and vargur are decent, but the kronos is just bad.


But to solo C3's there is no better ship in the game than the kronos.

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Marsha Mallow
#15 - 2014-05-18 20:46:53 UTC
Tom, if you could please stop training (for the wider community) we can all enjoy a nerf free existence. Tia.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2014-05-18 20:55:21 UTC
Pff, like they would nerf one of my beloved Megathrons.
Cade Windstalker
#17 - 2014-05-18 21:09:55 UTC
I mean, I sort of get the Dramiel (though it was kind of OP) but the Nighthawk got pretty much nothing but buffs, unless you mean the Heavy Missile nerf, in which case how did you not see that coming a mile away?

Also please un-duct-tape yourself from the ceiling. KThx.
Doreen Kaundur
#18 - 2014-05-18 21:14:20 UTC
I trained Shuttle Pilot V.

Im the best shuttle pilot in all new eden.

I produce spectacular explosions when ganked. Big smile

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#19 - 2014-05-18 21:26:32 UTC
Markus45 wrote:
What is the intention - motivation even - in making this post?



Tom is a professional troll, you need more motivation?

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-05-18 21:32:21 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
CCP doesn't need to nerf the kronos, it's already a huge under-performer.

1) Terrible range on the weapon system it was designed for, blasters. in bastion, they only do ~475 dps to the farther sanctum spawns, and can't reach almost any spawns with short range ammo

2) Weak capacitor. Kronos has the greatest difficulty running its guns and supporting a large armor repairer, where the other 3 marauders can do so (shields where appropriate) more easily.

3) Low mobility. Gallente blaster battleships like the megathron and vindicator both use decent mobility to allow their short range high tracking weapon systems to get in close, and dish out their damage potential, whereas other race ships have a much longer range, and don't need to get as close. The kronos however, cannot move around while in bastion, forcing it to play a game of stop and go, and leaving it additionally vulnerable in situations like wormhole space.

As far as marauders go,

Angel space: Vargur is top dog, Golem is decent
Sansha/Blood raiders: Paladin is top dog, by a long shot
Serpentis space: Weak to thermal, the Paladin still performs admirably
Gurista space: Golem comes out on top with full kinetic damage and 100% damage application at 70km or 10km.
Drone space: Paladin is top dog
Incursions: Shiny paladin fleet beats everything for vanguards
Solo C4 wormholes: Again, paladins are a beast.

Why does the Paladin so frequently outperform all the others? Because it is the stark opposite of the Kronos with its weapon system. It has very long optimal range that can be quickly switched between medium and long range, with sufficient tracking to still hit npc frigates before they get under the guns. The golem and vargur are decent, but the kronos is just bad.


Kronos is for PvP. Ever seen a Kronos and on-grid-booster Eos crash a gatecamp together? It's scary.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
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