Player Features and Ideas Discussion

something i've been pondering since I first read this post, now you have to agree to pretend a few things while reading my thoughts. First you have to agree that there should be atleast some risk in everything you do in eve, Second agree to the fact that suicide ganking is a risk averse action.

Ok with those two things in mind if we were to impliment changes that make suicide ganking more expensive then the value of the average gank goes up to cover the extra cost which changes nothing except reducing the risk of being ganked for loot. This makes hauling an even more risk averse action by reduction of the risk involved.

Lets say i don't like anything that's risk averse and I also agree suicide ganking is bad IF it did get removed from the game would we then also have to remove cargo bays from the game as there would be no risk? We could also have 1 big market where everything was for sale all the time and we could access all our stuff from anywhere in eve and instead of it being blown up in pvp or pve we could pay a fee of 50 isk to have npc's go salvage our ship and fittings and bring it back to the station for us and then a fee of say 100 isk to repair it all and we could ban podding of people and permit everyone to have an unlimited number of clones and clone jump as often as they want.

how much better would the game be with no more risk averse actions and all risk was removed!!!! be brave people vote for this change and have eve a better for us all!

The popular concept of AFK miners is fake. An excuse to justify a very lame activity as ganking miners. A miner in high sec using COMs is not AFK, nor is when remotelly working labs or factory slots, corporation bulletins, many things other than obsesively hiting d-scan as a millitian.

Speaking of consequences of your actions and risk versus reward philosophy, ganking miners is one of the most unballanced -to the side of the simple- things one dude can do in EvE. A long list of minimal consecuences is still a minimal consecuence. You choose to be a bad guy? Ok, be it, but crying for your 15 minutes of semi-forced docking dont makes you look that perilous even dou the rude comments you may include in your bio.

Ballancing high sec? Better ballance the whole galaxy, by having a hig sec, low sec, null sec. Now is like that but being a partially high-sec. High sec has too profitable ores and this is a problem? I believe so, CCP: work here. Players: lead your demands that way.

But please save me from hearing the bull material about how evil are the lazy miners and how good the gankers do for we all.

Treat the OP with more respect and if what you going to say adds nothing positive you better shut up...

You don't get it. At all.

Victims should stop being victims. Why in the hell is a -10 character allowed to fly with impunity through hisec? They can be shot by anyone, anywhere. So why aren't they being shot by anyone? Why do high seccers depend so much on mechanics and NPCs to clean up for them?

Wrong. It is you who doesn't get it. You want to fight industrialist cause -and only cause- they dont fight back. That doesnt make you a better player and doesnt make your character a mightier one but all the way around. CONCORD should be the ones who shoot sec. -10 as they did in the past. The mechanics are rebalanced to satisfy the cry babies that want to be a 'high security bad guy' that depends so much in mechanics and NPCs to clean up for them.

Victims should stop being victims by what? stop mining and going to fight with you? And at the end saying GF and smile at the rainbow? Thats all your fuss about, the other kids dont wanna play with you the way you want with your rules. Everything else is blah. The good news: more and more people is starting to understand. Make no mistake it is you who dont get it.

Understanding this last phrase is sarcastic.

It is up to the players in highsec who are minding their own business to not fly something worth ganking. CCP is becoming aware of a difficulty in properly tanking industrial ships. Haulers and mining barges have had their EHP buffed considerably already, and now freighters are gaining the ability to fit rigs. Beyond that, the expectation is that the value of the cargo should match the hit points of the ship.

If you want to haul particularly expensive stuff that has a low volume, you can use a shuttle, interceptor, blockade runner, or other small ship that is hard to catch. If it has a high volume, just try splitting it up into multiple trips or have people fly escort with you. The main key is that players need to be aware that having too much value in their ship can make them a target for ganking.

I get your point, suicide ganks aren't always risky. It is fairly easy to estimate the value of ganking a ship vs. the cost of doing so. There are ways to make yourself harder to be prospected, such as using a faster ship. But just as the gankers can ensure they shoot a target that will make them a profit, a player can ensure that their ship is not a profitable target. If you get ganked after that, it wasn't for profit, unless you miscalculated.

For what I understood the lower his sec, the more the restriction for the 'outlaw' to travel free in high sec. I have never being in negative sec, so I just say what I have read years ago. Also reading about the tactics of flying a capusle to being left alone by CONCORD and have an alt dropping a ship for the ganker, suggest that what I say may be like that. If not, obviously makes not sense to have any seurity status at all. But it may be another nosense twick to help even more the demands of the poor gankers. Definitelly CONCORD should, as a police force, shot in sight any known criminal. Also a negative security capsuler should not get any fix when 'rating' in low sec, or any other meassure like before mentioned to make consecuences proportional to your actions with the similar harsh you measure the consequences of a miner havig low dps fit in a hulk . Not to protect the 'lawfull' capsulers only, but also to make your (not reffering to anyone in particular) 'outlaw' life experience much more realistic. As you hate lazy and unprepared as much as effortless gains, you should agree.

Brainless industrialist? Sounds like an oximoron to me, you suggest gankers are very brilliant? Smart mercenary, stupid scientist? I'ts clear how we cannot agree.

The point goes way deeper than that. CCP strugles to have a ballanced game and, at the same time, have no gaps for the bully. For example, do you think CCP had in mind when implementing safety system that new players would press the button in their first day in space and some well-aware-scum would be waiting to frie them? No, obviously the red, yellow, green safety was made to cover other needs. And yet every day, as a welcome gesture from the allways-caring-gankers, dozens of new players fall for that mistake. Yes, yes, that will make them learn, they should thank you dearly... ungratefull newbies.... And we discuse if technically that is correct or not as if that was the point. No, the point just some fail to see.

Yeah, agreed. I've resorted to popping myself with an alt when I want to shed killrights, because going suspect and warping around causes exactly 0 players to ever actually shoot you.

I've seen criminal pods sitting @ 0 on a gate with combat ships warping past and from the gate, and no one actually shooting him.

High-sec vaginas.

That's not the point.

The fact that high sec residents are vaginas is the point?

We agree then.