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This last point is the cruncher.

The 'boxes in space' have to go. They're intrusive, they impede gameplay and they break immersion. The patch notes claim that they're now slightly transparent - not on my screen. What I see is that what was previously white text on a black background is now pale grey text on a dark grey background. All the above faults remain but the text is now more difficult to read, so it's actually worse than before. What is needed is just plain white text floating in space as it used to be.

I previously asked for transparency but now I must retract that request as even if objects behind a box could be seen it would still be impossible to interact with them.

The boxes must go. End of.


Regarding my other main gripe, thanks for enabling full station names in the overview tooltip. I would guess that these are at least partially masked in most players' overview settings.

The tool tips that appear while setting up PI production are over the products you are scrolling through.

Can this be positioned to the side or removed?

CCP, I previously asked you to fix tool-tips preventing exploration.

Thank you for fixing it as quickly as you did. It was quite a turnaround.

Frankly, I think what's left - tool-tips for 'close' and so on - are pointless. Being new to the game, I honestly appreciate the way it doesn't hold my hand and explain everything to me. Eve invites players to bask in the serendipity of discovery: Click it to see what happens. I actually published that in a review of the game in the mainstream press. Small changes like this make my judgment in retrospect look poor.

The tool-tips I feel work against the spirit of discovery and treating us like authentic capsuleers - individual astrophysicists, every one of your players. Like others say, it breaks immersion and doesn't bring enough information to the user experience to make the sacrifice worthwhile. Tool-tips are just one of those things where just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. This has been a fine example of that, although I respect what you are attempting to do with them.

I think eventually you will fine-tune them but what I think that means is your team is going to be continually dialing back tool-tips until you begin to question why you ever included them in the first place, and they'll fall into a single primary use - at least I hope that's how it turns out.

Thanks again, and please, keep up the good work.

Thanks for the explanation

So what you are saying is:

Someone who has managed to install Eve, and has probably used a PC before needs to be told how to close a window ?

New players have the attention span of a goldfish. After 5 minutes, they probably know what the icon in the overview for a stargate looks like. But, you insist on tooltip for this and many other completely pointless things.

What they mean is:

We will fiddle with it for a week or two, then forget about it as we really don't give a ****, and move on to the next piece of ill thought out bag if crap.

You see this is where the issue will continue to come between you and a large part of the player base. I know I was being sarcastic earlier, but I was trying to put forward a point.

Let me put it another way. Say you as a Dev, came into work one day and every action on your PC, was met with a tooltip. Or say a chef that has been working in the same kitchen for over ten years, was suddenly met with tooltips all over, telling him what each and every item did. Including the food and what it could be use in.

In both cases there might be a time, when you or the chef would like some information and I'm sure that will happen now and then. But in those cases, you both could either look in a book, or at some online/offline database. But why would you both need constant reminders?

What has happened in this case, is that you've decided without much input from us, that you want to tell us everything again, over and over. Whether we need to know it or not. And at no time do you allow us to turn it off, or give us a right click option to find it IF we need it. (That could be the book or online option.)

Now we seem to be in a situation, where many Devs are here, supporting a colleague who's work has been put into question. Instead of implementing an off, you talk of constructive feedback and ignore that request. I have a mental image of wagons turned over, you Devs behind them with your colleague in the center.

But while you do this you miss the point. I and others here, like change. Change isn't the issue. Change is good. This change will be very good for new players. Predictive Mouse Movement for example, is an awesome addition.
But we also like options. I as a vet would like an option to turn it off, or even move access to this to the right click menu.

I simply do not wish to know the things it is telling me now, constantly. Much as you or a chef, would not like the same when working.

I'm trying to be constructive here and tell you how we feel. The UI is a rather important element in the game and it's been in need of work for quite some time, so your efforts are greatly appreciated. But please don't ignore requests, especially when there seems to be no logical reason to do so.

Genuine question here, are ye updating the sisi tooltips first or are ye working directly from tranquility with this?

We have the ability to customise our overview to quite a great extent.

Can the same type of customisation not be applied to the tooltips so we the players can arrange, colour, size and blink our tooltips?
Moreover, we can then decide what information we want, where we want the information to come from (shield, module, armour, guns, star, mission objective, player killboard, etc.), and in what form it is to be displayed (blinking, scrolling, live [in the case of armour / shield / ammo etc.]), whenever we select to have it popping up?

The customisation layout is already there in the overview panel. It should be relatively simple to port this over to the tooltips and add the extra functionality that already exists in the tooltips (live countdowns, updates etc.)?

**Edited to close some unclosed brackets and parenthes

The saddest part is that the scrollable boxes in the game action view are probably here to stay. Given CCP's history of questionable decisions they will never revert to the old system. Seriously CCP guys, I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to face the fact you're goddamn morons.

Really, sometimes you guys do things that make it really hard to love you, just sayin

Reading through the threads on this forum about tool tips, although my views here will be nothing new it is an indicaction that the player base has an issue with some of these new features.

Like many i feel that the tool tips would be great for a new player (if they want this option) but when i was a new player to the game half the fun is learning the hard way and discovering the game for yourself. With tool tips forces upon us it is like we are all being treated like children and our knowledge of the game through years of learning and discovery is being insulted.

Imagine gong to university and having your 'ABC's' and '1-10' written on the wall, that's how this feels.

I also get the feeling the job of creating these tool tips was more to do with keeping someone busy rather than bringing anything additional to the game, in fact its implementation has caused issues to the smoothness, immersion and usability to the game. As previously stated by another player, the claim to have not made the black boxes more transparent in game: i also do not see any difference in transparency and find the big blackout boxes intrusive. In large fleet battles, 2000+ i can see this this turning into a 'Text adventure' and not a graphical one. These black boxes need to go and the repeated redundant information need to also be removed.

A couple of area i would like to see improved with the UI is the Shield, Armor & Hull meter on the HUD. Whilst the values and % are now clearer to see i don't think we need to see all 3 at once. Separating them back to their individual elements will save screen space. At current hovering over the bar an any element shoes the values for all three, and lets face it, most of us are only interested in the one attribute to which we are tanked.

The second request: Please add a countdown timers to the MJD and cyno modules when you hover over them to indicate either time to reactivation in the case of the MJD and time left to run on the cyno modules.

Whilst in principle there are some good ideas within the tool tips the implementation and the UI interface of them has certainly made the game less desirable at present and i hope you can find a happy medium between holding the hands of the new player base and respecting the wishes of your loyal players.

Maybe the tool tips need to be an extension of the tutorials and have a feature to disable once there value has worn off due to experience.

Cheers.