Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Rebalance, whatever.

The new Mordus Orthrus which has been proposed starts life with 900 powergrid, before skills. This allows luxurious fits where you don't have to even entertain a fitting module or a fitting rig in order to get your cake and eat it; full highs with utility neut, twin LSE, MWD, point, full lows with max damage mods.

Yes, I am aware it is a pirate cruiser, will cost a bomb, and is supposed to be badass. However, it contrasts with the Arbitrator which starts life with a pathetic PG, requires one to three fitting mods/rigs just to get close to being a half-fitted failure. To prove my point I will illustrate via comparison to a few T1 cruiser hulls.



Easily fits MWD dual-web and dishes out 600 DPS, has 43K EHP. You can also do blaster boats along the same line with ease. I'm not even tryingg to make exotic, crazyy triple-rep fits and undersized guns LOLfit things. You can do that, but the above is IMHO one of the gankiest, tankiest brawling armour cruisers. It fits astoundingly easy.

The Arbitrator, on the other hand:



This is the best possible fit you can get without beginning to go ridiculous on fitting rigs, and to fit this you already need one rig and one fitting mod and all 5 skills (901 of 909 PG used). You get 23K EHP and a scorching 292 DPS, with light tackle (swap for scram, if you want, but you don't get a web).

The Arbitrator should be able to fit at least one more medium neut AND go up to a 1600mm T2 plate. To do this you would need at least another 500 base powergrid - and that is still with a RCU II and an Ancilary Current Router rig. It would give it 50% more neuting power and only 31K EHP.

That isn't even really going overboard on a wish list. Honestly, the Arbitrator is woefully under-provided with fitting room and this really, really affects its usefulness. I have honestly not seen anyone in an Arbitrator for months, because it is basically a death sentence and a waste of a fleet member.

I understand that now you have the ability to overheat TD's you could go berserk on a TD boat, but lets be honest - it's more survivable to take a Crucifier for the job as you can orbit at 3.2km/s at 50km and do 50% of the DPS and have 5000% more survivability as a TD boat. You have ultimate GTFO ability, unlike an already slow, turgid Arby.

Cheers,

TF

hm. I wouldn't be against them swapping the arby's td bonus for neuts since not many people use TD on them.

i would put td's on them again. when the drone and missile nerf happens.

The problem with the arbitrator is that it doesn't know if it's a combat cruiser or an e-war cruiser. The amarr cruiser skill gives:

7.5% bonus to tracking disruptors per level

10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per level

It should be brought into line with other disruption cruisers which have one bonus to e-war effectiveness and one bonus to e-war range.

EDIT: Nvm.

My arbi has 3 TD on it. Leave my arbi alone

I'm more worried about medium MJDs and the Mordus Orthrus in the nerf department right now.

Arby is an ewar ship. If you aren't fitting TD's on it, you are using it wrong and should be in a Vexor.

Which the OP pointed out, so I'm rather confused as why the OP made an OP in the first place.

I'm not saying can't actually fit it. It has 500 powergrid right out of the box, so OMG, derp, I just now realised it can fit a 1600mm plate! Thanks for pointing this out to me, I was just playing the game since 2009 not knowing how many powergrid a 1600mm plate had, and here you go, showing me up on an internet forum poast roflcopters whaddayaknow.

My point, if you would cease being dense, is that it cannot achieve this most simple of tasks, plus fit anything which may be considered a proper mix of appropriately sized neuts and EWAR modules and propulsion, without blowing four of its slots on fittings, SIMULTANEOUSLY! Gah.

As for the other intelligent part of your response (hint: this is opposites day, clearly) yes, medium MJDs are for Battlecruisers. My point, which yet again you clearly failed to grasp due to apparently an inability for your brain to recognise white symbols on a dark grey background on a computer monitor (arcane magic? idunno) and string these glyphs into a sentence, which has grammar, context and meaning, is that taken in the context of the befooregoing conversation, i am not concerned about nerfing anything related to this discussion (c.f. Vexor) rather buffing the aforementioned subject of this whole discussion, viz. the bloody Arbitrator.

In case you are thoroughly dense, which I fear is the case, this was in effect a response to Abrazzar's trite and sarcastic post which, unless I am entirely mistaken, sits right above my post, which addresses it directly, and can not unless someone is particularly regressive in the capacity of their frontal lobes, mistake it for just a general gripe that thrice-tarded Arbirtrators might get medium MJD's and require a fricking nerf.

*takes breath*



Did my Arby fit not have a tracking disruptor module fitted? Why, yes it did. Thankyou for being crushingly apposite in your assessment of my ability to form and maintain a cogent argument whilst simultaneously being unable to create nor sustain a line of argument on your own.

In a sense of bipartisan fairness to all who may be reading this forum and, from the course of the discussion somehow erroneously conclude you are in fact a simpering dolt - when clearly you are not - I only think it is fair that you go back to the end of the track, grab another stick, and have a second go at vaulting over the admittedly low obstavcle in your path, which is addressing the question before the forum, in particular, do you agree or disagree thatthe Arbitrator needs a buff so that, complete luxe, can fit a reasonable tank and some neuts and some TD's and use at most one fitting slot (rig or low, no one's caring much at this point).

it was a tongue in cheek way of saying ur doing it wrong.

U want the arbie to fit 2x medium neuts AND a 1600mm plate AND a cap booster?

just a bit overpowered for an e-war cruiser. down size the neuts and then u can down size the cap booster or get rid of it completely and fit another tracking disruptor.