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Truesec Buff in Provi

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Juan Thang
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#1 - 2014-05-13 11:26:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Juan Thang
Currently provi is the lowest truesec region in null, with only a few systems that are even -0.3, giving lame bounties and few good ratting sites per system, considering that we are the most populated region maybe this should be changed to reflect this and to support the larger player base that has a higher concentration of players than any other region in nullsec.

Please give just 2 isk a month and we might be able to support a SRP and maybe even provide pvp ships to our players like the other coalitions do.

Poor income + No SRP + Buying your own PvP ships = a poor me.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#2 - 2014-05-13 11:34:52 UTC
The day CCP buffed the truesec in Providence would be the day one of the big Null blocks would start caring enough to clean sweep the area and install renters.

This is very much a case of be careful what you wish for.

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Crayne
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-05-13 11:36:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Crayne
As one who lives in Providence i say: no.

Provi has several other points that makes it nice to live in, such as easy logistics etc.
Buffing it's truesec would simply make it too good.
Juan Thang
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#4 - 2014-05-13 11:50:09 UTC
Crayne wrote:
As one who lives in Providence i say: no.

Provi has several other points that makes it nice to live in, such as easy logistics etc.
Buffing it's truesec would simply make it too good.


I also live in provi so :), It is nice to live in.
Just I feel that we get short changed as we have the highest population density, we get few decent ratting sites per system for the amount of people in it, and fewer still unknown anomalies.

Look at all of the rest of null, pretty much empty yet it all has a better truesec, more ratting sites.

Im not talking more tech moons, cause thats already been done recently and CCP gave us all the finger.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2014-05-13 11:55:13 UTC
Juan Thang wrote:
Crayne wrote:
As one who lives in Providence i say: no.

Provi has several other points that makes it nice to live in, such as easy logistics etc.
Buffing it's truesec would simply make it too good.


I also live in provi so :), It is nice to live in.
Just I feel that we get short changed as we have the highest population density, we get few decent ratting sites per system for the amount of people in it, and fewer still unknown anomalies.

Look at all of the rest of null, pretty much empty yet it all has a better truesec, more ratting sites.

Im not talking more tech moons, cause thats already been done recently and CCP gave us all the finger.


And more income potential means more renting income from renters of the big blobs. I very much doubt that Provi Bloc could withstand CFC or N3 or even the scattered Russians a weeks. Blink

Besides, isn't Providence designed by its holders as sort of a mixture between real Sov 00 and NPC 00, where people can start out into 00 sec to get a feel for it without being thrown in the big shark-filled ocean right away? Thus, Providence is fine as it is and if you want more good stuff, you need to move on into the big shark-filled ocean and cannot remain on the nice beach.

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#6 - 2014-05-13 12:19:22 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:


And more income potential means more renting income from renters of the big blobs. I very much doubt that Provi Bloc could withstand CFC or N3 or even the scattered Russians a weeks. Blink

Besides, isn't Providence designed by its holders as sort of a mixture between real Sov 00 and NPC 00, where people can start out into 00 sec to get a feel for it without being thrown in the big shark-filled ocean right away? Thus, Providence is fine as it is and if you want more good stuff, you need to move on into the big shark-filled ocean and cannot remain on the nice beach.


I've been out into the big "shark-filled" ocean, i saw 1 shark. the rest was empty and i got bored. And no i dont belive that that was the intention of the holders to make it like npc null, just to make it a nice place. If the rest of null was as populated as provi i would understand, but its not.

I am well aware that we would get pwned by the bigger blocs, we dont have the capital numbers to fight off an escalation.
SmokinMoses
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-05-13 12:19:25 UTC
Samillian wrote:
The day CCP buffed the truesec in Providence would be the day one of the big Null blocks would start caring enough to clean sweep the area and install renters.

This is very much a case of be careful what you wish for.


This.

If Provi truesec got buffed, CFC, N3 or PL would instantly rush in guns blazing, crushing whatever resistance ProviBloc could muster. Or in case of one side invading, the other bloc would want a piece of the cake for themselves.

Provi would then become the flashpoint that could ignite the next big war. Either way, days of NRDS in provi and fun for us, who roam Provi looking for fun fights/ganking bears, would be over.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#8 - 2014-05-14 22:53:12 UTC
Juan Thang wrote:
we have the highest population density, we get few decent ratting sites per system for the amount of people in it, and fewer still unknown anomalies.

Look at all of the rest of null, pretty much empty yet it all has a better truesec, more ratting sites.


Seems to me that you've just found the real solution to your "problem" - go and run sites in the better areas.

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Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#9 - 2014-05-14 23:14:15 UTC
Your problem isn't that there isn't enough money to be made in Provi, it's that there are too many people in Provi for you to get enough of it to afford your expenses.

As you've already stated though, there is plenty of ISK to be made elsewhere, as it's pretty empty.

Your solution seems simple: Follow the ISK, and keep your Provi bookmarks for the weekends after you've got plenty of ISK to burn.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#10 - 2014-05-15 00:09:30 UTC
Given the new increases (in Kronos) to low-to-null wormhole connections, have you considered living in lowsec instead, and daytripping to hostile sovereign nullsec via wormholes to run your ISK generating activities?

9% of lowsec systems will have low-to-null wormholes after Kronos, so it's something to think about.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-05-15 00:25:50 UTC
After the last 'great nullsec truesec adjustment', it was made pretty clear why provi is where it is. It was kept low not only because of easy access to empire, one of the reasons that some regions like Etherium Reach saw massive sec nerfs, but also to maintain some regions as 'entry points', that are supposed to be less desirable to the more powerful alliances, due to lower regional value.
Sturmwolke
#12 - 2014-05-15 00:26:49 UTC
Samillian wrote:
The day CCP buffed the truesec in Providence would be the day one of the big Null blocks would start caring enough to clean sweep the area and install renters.
This is very much a case of be careful what you wish for.

Pretty much this.

Check your history on Providence.
It's fine as it is now.
Juan Thang
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#13 - 2014-05-15 10:41:57 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Your problem isn't that there isn't enough money to be made in Provi, it's that there are too many people in Provi for you to get enough of it to afford your expenses.

As you've already stated though, there is plenty of ISK to be made elsewhere, as it's pretty empty.

Your solution seems simple: Follow the ISK, and keep your Provi bookmarks for the weekends after you've got plenty of ISK to burn.


Its all down to risk though isnt it, Do i field my ratting battleship in somewhere hostile? so pretty much everywhere, probably not. Also space is empty so index's are empty which means **** ratting sites.

So do I grind up a red system, take a higher risk for a lower income than what I get currently till the good sites spawn (if the Ihub is upgraded enough), or do I take lower risk and lower income in the long run.

Maybe if the true sec status didnt get buffed, what about a few more sites in systems, although this would still haul in the same income but it would facilitate more people, perhaps a higher spawn rate on relic/data/ded sites. anything that would make population density more favorable.

Perhaps that is the problem with all of nullsec, to few sites per system when the index is high enough.
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#14 - 2014-05-15 11:01:45 UTC
Juan Thang wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Your problem isn't that there isn't enough money to be made in Provi, it's that there are too many people in Provi for you to get enough of it to afford your expenses.

As you've already stated though, there is plenty of ISK to be made elsewhere, as it's pretty empty.

Your solution seems simple: Follow the ISK, and keep your Provi bookmarks for the weekends after you've got plenty of ISK to burn.


Its all down to risk though isnt it, Do i field my ratting battleship in somewhere hostile? so pretty much everywhere, probably not. Also space is empty so index's are empty which means **** ratting sites.

So do I grind up a red system, take a higher risk for a lower income than what I get currently till the good sites spawn (if the Ihub is upgraded enough), or do I take lower risk and lower income in the long run.

Maybe if the true sec status didnt get buffed, what about a few more sites in systems, although this would still haul in the same income but it would facilitate more people, perhaps a higher spawn rate on relic/data/ded sites. anything that would make population density more favorable.

Perhaps that is the problem with all of nullsec, to few sites per system when the index is high enough.


I"m pretty sure he didn't mean that you should stay in your current corp while doing that. Hit up another corp that is based in one of the nicer areas you were talking about.

Or get your corp to switch alliances.

Or have your alliance rent space.

Or rally everyone to go take over some better space.

If that's too much for you, stay where you are.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#15 - 2014-05-16 02:45:51 UTC
Templar Dane wrote:


I"m pretty sure he didn't mean that you should stay in your current corp while doing that. Hit up another corp that is based in one of the nicer areas you were talking about.

Or get your corp to switch alliances.

Or have your alliance rent space.

Or rally everyone to go take over some better space.

If that's too much for you, stay where you are.



Or maybe I am suggesting that. I spend a lot of time just traveling through null and one thing I've noticed is that the number of sites in systems varies dramatically, yes. You'll have to move around a lot more to make more money, but there is plenty of room to move around in. Battleships excluded, because no matter where you go there will be interceptor gangs eventually. Check out using a different ship. You may not get the same isk efficiency per hour, but if you've got sites to run for all of the hours you wish to run them and aren't twiddling your thumbs you will probably come out ahead.

Mobility while ratting has advantages, though. It's easier to sniff out what the locals are up to and avoid traps when you get your system down so that you can knock out one good site and jump a few systems over to the next one. You also have the bonus that by the time the map refreshes with your NPC kills in that system, you've moved on. There are also many ways to move around to different parts of null. Wormholes are my favorite so far for just finding new areas to exploit and for getting away from any hornet's nests I may have kicked. Provi has just as many wormholes as the rest of truesec.

Plenty of good sites out in null that don't get touched for days. People from other regions have their routines just like you've developed yours in Provi, and it doesn't take long to spot what their routines are and work around them.

Options, man. They're out there.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-05-16 20:01:17 UTC
Juan Thang wrote:
Crayne wrote:
As one who lives in Providence i say: no.

Provi has several other points that makes it nice to live in, such as easy logistics etc.
Buffing it's truesec would simply make it too good.


I also live in provi so :), It is nice to live in.
Just I feel that we get short changed as we have the highest population density, we get few decent ratting sites per system for the amount of people in it, and fewer still unknown anomalies.

Look at all of the rest of null, pretty much empty yet it all has a better truesec, more ratting sites.

Im not talking more tech moons, cause thats already been done recently and CCP gave us all the finger.

by that logic, jita should spawn unarmed rats with no tank each worth 500 mil, because it rarely drops below 1000, and constantly hits 2000
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2014-05-16 20:32:20 UTC
Just seen this in Amarr and thought I'd share it here.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Juan Thang
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#18 - 2014-05-17 02:59:11 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Juan Thang wrote:
Crayne wrote:
As one who lives in Providence i say: no.

Provi has several other points that makes it nice to live in, such as easy logistics etc.
Buffing it's truesec would simply make it too good.


I also live in provi so :), It is nice to live in.
Just I feel that we get short changed as we have the highest population density, we get few decent ratting sites per system for the amount of people in it, and fewer still unknown anomalies.

Look at all of the rest of null, pretty much empty yet it all has a better truesec, more ratting sites.

Im not talking more tech moons, cause thats already been done recently and CCP gave us all the finger.

by that logic, jita should spawn unarmed rats with no tank each worth 500 mil, because it rarely drops below 1000, and constantly hits 2000


Blowing out of proportion much?

You can hardly compare jita to any nullsec. as its highsec... duhhh, by your logic rats in null should be worth 20 billion.

ANYWAY, I know that if it got a buff now as many people have said, provi would get taken, but is that really a problem? if it had been good from the beginning it would be a viable region, instead of the way it and its inhabitants are viewed by the larger consensus at the moment.
Juan Thang
Optimistic Wasteland Inc.
Fraternity.
#19 - 2014-05-17 03:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Juan Thang