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Ottermode Nohomo
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-05-15 23:56:19 UTC
Decided to stop "winning," EVE for a few weeks while i'm laid up and shoot some space ****.

150mil sp, 'bout 500mil in the bank. Probably looking at a t1 battleship with cheap t2 fit, but I'm reading up on the changes for ~3 years worth of patches. Anyone want to update me on what's hot?
Illiar D'Anaari
Lassandar
#2 - 2014-05-16 00:22:02 UTC
Could use a little bit more info on where you want to fly, what you enjoy flying, stuff like that. It's a pretty vague request.
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#3 - 2014-05-16 00:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
I hate to say this (because I'm a Rattlesnake enthusiast when it comes to carebear grinding) but you might want to hop into a Sentry Drone Dominix with a Micro Jump Drive. Some variety of this.

P.S. I say carebear with the utmost love and not because I have a filthy pirate soul Pirate. EVE deserves the best of both worlds.

P.P.S. The Rattlesnake is also going through a majorly contentious change.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#4 - 2014-05-16 01:43:40 UTC
Ottermode Nohomo wrote:
..."winning," EVE ...

...150mil sp, 'bout 500mil in the bank....


150m sp into the game you have half a bill in the bank. No, you weren't winning Eve.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Ottermode Nohomo
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-05-16 01:47:25 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Ottermode Nohomo wrote:
..."winning," EVE ...

...150mil sp, 'bout 500mil in the bank....


150m sp into the game you have half a bill in the bank. No, you weren't winning Eve.


Has that turn of phrase gone out of fashion or is this ironic? "Winning EVE," used to mean stop logging in for a long time.
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#6 - 2014-05-16 02:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
Winning EVE fell out of the metaforum, not everybody gets it unfortunately. I've been Winning the Forums for well over 10 years (since EVE began) but since I recently got over some of my (extensive) social issues... here I am.

Stealth edit: faceslap (title) ignore...

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2014-05-16 04:35:38 UTC
They don't get much cheaper or better than a Minmatar Typhoon.

Oh god.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-05-16 05:03:30 UTC
The boring old raven is always cheap and moderately efficient L4 grinder if you don't want to do the drone meta. If you had more resources the nightmare changes look interesting.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-16 05:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Barton Breau
Hasril Pux wrote:
I hate to say this (because I'm a Rattlesnake enthusiast when it comes to carebear grinding) but you might want to hop into a Sentry Drone Dominix with a Micro Jump Drive. Some variety of this.


The rattler is semi ok, but the domi is old, the scope now stacks with omnis, so only use II, the sentry damage augmentor adds like 10-20 dps due to stacking penalty, and we have tractors, so you can go all the way with link augmentors to blap stuff @ 150km with ionic rig(s).

Something like this, stuff can be moved around, for example if you dont mind slowboating to gates, ab can be exchanged for sebo and rigs changed for repair ones (for a much deeper slowboating experience + 170km range), repair youll need mostly for missiles, thats why kinetic, can be changed to cheap faction membranes for t1 hardener bonus with no cap needed.
The omnis help mostly with bouncers and curators.

[Dominix, Domi T2 mission]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Ionic Field Projector I

Warden II x5
Bouncer II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Mobile Tractor Unit x1
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-05-16 06:06:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Odithia
1st Tier
Raven
Dominix
Typhoon

2nd Tier
Maelstorm
Hyperion
Megathron

3rd Tier
Tempest
Scorpion
Anything Amarr (because of damage type, you will need a second ship depending on NPC Resists)
Rokh
Novah Soul
#11 - 2014-05-16 07:41:31 UTC
Odithia wrote:
1st Tier
Raven
Dominix
Typhoon

2nd Tier
Maelstorm
Hyperion
Megathron

3rd Tier
Tempest
Scorpion
Anything Amarr (because of damage type, you will need a second ship depending on NPC Resists)
Rokh

Pretty much this. ^^

A man is known by the quality of his friends. - Lex Luthor
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-05-16 07:48:32 UTC
there is something to be said for the trash can, although you do need good skills and it's a little more effort than a dominix. if you prefer pure missiles, a cruise raven will do it, for guns a beam apocalypse or arty maelstrom will do good.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-05-16 07:53:13 UTC
Quote:
3rd Tier
Tempest
Scorpion
Anything Amarr (because of damage type, you will need a second ship depending on NPC Resists)
Rokh


Lasers are just as limiting in damage type as hybrids are, but their raw power can often offset part of the damage loss. An Apocalypse will do just fine in most cases (I consider it superior to Maelstrom), though it's sometimes a better idea to use beams than pulses (more TH damage on short range ammo against EM resist heavy targets).
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#14 - 2014-05-16 10:08:21 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Quote:
3rd Tier
Tempest
Scorpion
Anything Amarr (because of damage type, you will need a second ship depending on NPC Resists)
Rokh


Lasers are just as limiting in damage type as hybrids are, but their raw power can often offset part of the damage loss. An Apocalypse will do just fine in most cases (I consider it superior to Maelstrom), though it's sometimes a better idea to use beams than pulses (more TH damage on short range ammo against EM resist heavy targets).


Actually, while hybrids do the same amount of different damage types (2) it's pretty much "rainbow damage" because the combo of kin and therm is pretty nice overall in most situations. Laser damage types are either really good or, most of the time, outright terrible.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-05-16 10:26:34 UTC
Yea... Hybrids are almost always hitting at least the 2 best damage type for an NPC.
Kin is good enough against angels/Minmatar, Therm is good enough against BR/Sansha/Amar.
And of course, Kin and Th work very well against serpentis and Guristas.

In contrast, EM and TH are very good against BR/Sansha/Amarr, Th is ok vs Serpentis/Guristas (although some of the high resist NPCs its wuite bad), but EM is terrible against Angels/Minmatar, and except for a few of them, Th is also terrible.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#16 - 2014-05-17 12:32:33 UTC
Rogue Drones.

Oh god.
Ginger Barbarella
#17 - 2014-05-17 23:31:41 UTC
Ottermode Nohomo wrote:
Decided to stop "winning," EVE for a few weeks while i'm laid up and shoot some space ****.

150mil sp, 'bout 500mil in the bank. Probably looking at a t1 battleship with cheap t2 fit, but I'm reading up on the changes for ~3 years worth of patches. Anyone want to update me on what's hot?


Go Navy Drake (if you're a missile rat), make money while killing stuff until you can get a better ship to kill stuff.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-05-18 01:09:15 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Ottermode Nohomo wrote:
Decided to stop "winning," EVE for a few weeks while i'm laid up and shoot some space ****.

150mil sp, 'bout 500mil in the bank. Probably looking at a t1 battleship with cheap t2 fit, but I'm reading up on the changes for ~3 years worth of patches. Anyone want to update me on what's hot?


Go Navy Drake (if you're a missile rat), make money while killing stuff until you can get a better ship to kill stuff.

A Drake Navy Issue at 200 million. A Raven is cheaper than that.
Rakkis Grath
The Order of the Holy Asteroid
#19 - 2014-05-20 03:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rakkis Grath
Yup. I gotta jump on the Raven bandwagon. It's easy mode for 4's & can be fit dirt cheap & still perform well. I'd say sniper fit a Raven & then save up for a Navy Raven...don't really need anything else after that for 4's. My Raven fit was;

Ballistic Control System II ( x3)
Capacitor Power Relay II (x2)

Large Micro Jump Drive
100MN Afterburner II
Sensor Booster II (x2)
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Arbalest Cruise Launcher I (x6) Mission specific Standard Missles
Drone Link Augmenter I

Large Loading Bay Accelerator I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II (x5) Mobile Tractor Unit I
Warrior II (x5)
Salvage Drone I (x5)

May not be the fastest or best fit in the world, but it's cheap & blew away every mission I ran in it. The tank & combat drones are pretty much for the hell of it as most stuff died in the 100-150km range. Also hoovers up all the loot & salvage pretty nicely as well. So safe it's almost boring. You will want to upgrade to the Navy as soon as you can though for a nice damage boost. I fit my Navy practically the same way & it breezes through 4's. Now bear in mind I'm in Mim space mainly so not sure if there are any factors that would make for added difficulty in other regions. Also with better fitting skills &/or implants than mine I'm sure you could easily improve on the fit.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-05-20 07:38:04 UTC
Rakkis Grath wrote:
Yup. I gotta jump on the Raven bandwagon. It's easy mode for 4's & can be fit dirt cheap & still perform well. I'd say sniper fit a Raven & then save up for a Navy Raven...don't really need anything else after that for 4's. My Raven fit was;

Ballistic Control System II ( x3)
Capacitor Power Relay II (x2)

Large Micro Jump Drive
100MN Afterburner II
Sensor Booster II (x2)
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Arbalest Cruise Launcher I (x6) Mission specific Standard Missles
Drone Link Augmenter I

Large Loading Bay Accelerator I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II (x5) Mobile Tractor Unit I
Warrior II (x5)
Salvage Drone I (x5)

May not be the fastest or best fit in the world, but it's cheap & blew away every mission I ran in it. The tank & combat drones are pretty much for the hell of it as most stuff died in the 100-150km range. Also hoovers up all the loot & salvage pretty nicely as well. So safe it's almost boring. You will want to upgrade to the Navy as soon as you can though for a nice damage boost. I fit my Navy practically the same way & it breezes through 4's. Now bear in mind I'm in Mim space mainly so not sure if there are any factors that would make for added difficulty in other regions. Also with better fitting skills &/or implants than mine I'm sure you could easily improve on the fit.


So the general idea is to jump and then ab out of range of gurista, mordu and other missiles, constantly move away and snipe from 160-200 km?
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