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Tackling the problem of null-sec ratting bots.

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Namiene
Revenge Uprising
#1 - 2014-05-15 15:30:34 UTC
We have seen a lot of work done to ensure that perceived 'mining bots' have been reduced or removed entirely by a sustained campaign of AFK cloaking camps in null and suicide gankers in highsec. These benevolent efforts have gone a long way towards ensuring the players who actually play the game are not ripped off by those who use more nefarious means (botting / automation)

However we still lack adequate means / efforts to reduce the impact upon the economy made by ratting bots. How can it be fair to the people who actually play the game to have their profits reduced by those who afk farm rat belts and anoms afk for 23 hours every day.

So i have a proposal for tackling the issue. Alongside the proposed reduction in rat drops of refinable loots we also lower the bounties of rats found in belts and anomalies as well as removing any chance or seriously reducing the chance of faction spawns in said belts and anomalys. 'But this isnt fair'!, i hear you cry.

In order to compensate the players who live in null and rightfully deserve an increased profit for thier time in game; we move the faction spawns into scannable plex's and increase the bounties on the ordinary rats in said plex's We also increase the drop rate of valuable modules from scannable plex's

All of these outlined proposals would not only 'cut off the oxygen' of the botters so to speak. But will also ensure that those players who actually play the game get maximised profits for their hard work and for their loots.


Discuss.

(p.s. sorry for poor spelling and or grammar.)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-05-15 15:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-05-15 15:35:03 UTC
If you see someone you suspect is botting, petition it. Don't come to the forums with (a) new stupid idea.
Dave stark
#4 - 2014-05-15 15:39:29 UTC
Namiene wrote:
How can it be fair to the people who actually play the game to have their profits reduced by those who afk farm rat belts and anoms afk for 23 hours every day.


by removing supply/demand from the equation governing bounty payouts it will be fair to everyone.

oh wait, that's already the case.
guess we've solved that problem.
Prince Kobol
#5 - 2014-05-15 15:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Namiene wrote:
We have seen a lot of work done to ensure that perceived 'mining bots' have been reduced or removed entirely by a sustained campaign of AFK cloaking camps in null and suicide gankers in highsec. These benevolent efforts have gone a long way towards ensuring the players who actually play the game are not ripped off by those who use more nefarious means (botting / automation)

However we still lack adequate means / efforts to reduce the impact upon the economy made by ratting bots. How can it be fair to the people who actually play the game to have their profits reduced by those who afk farm rat belts and anoms afk for 23 hours every day.

So i have a proposal for tackling the issue. Alongside the proposed reduction in rat drops of refinable loots we also lower the bounties of rats found in belts and anomalies as well as removing any chance or seriously reducing the chance of faction spawns in said belts and anomalys. 'But this isnt fair'!, i hear you cry.

In order to compensate the players who live in null and rightfully deserve an increased profit for thier time in game; we move the faction spawns into scannable plex's and increase the bounties on the ordinary rats in said plex's We also increase the drop rate of valuable modules from scannable plex's

All of these outlined proposals would not only 'cut off the oxygen' of the botters so to speak. But will also ensure that those players who actually play the game get maximised profits for their hard work and for their loots.


Discuss.

(p.s. sorry for poor spelling and or grammar.)



So where are these armies of null sec bots you are talking about?

Got any proof.. screenshots etc?

I ask this question because over the last month I have spent a great deal of time in the following places,

Great Wildlands
Scalding Pass
Wicked Creek
Insmother
Detroid
Immensea
Tenerifis

All on a alt doing Data / Relic / Ghost sites and so far I have not seen one person who I would say is acting like a bot.

So again, where exactly are these army of bots you are talking about?
Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#6 - 2014-05-15 16:02:10 UTC
I also fail to see where there are ratting bots. In ye'olde days the ratting drake/raven/tengu bot was fairly common (but not even as much as the mining bots in high sec ice belts), but i haven't seen them in about a year now. Also the people in the region where i live seem very alive and aware behind their accounts, because they talk in local when spoken to, and i think the ishtar/dominix thingy is not really a bottable ship to bot, but maybe i am wrong regarding this.

With the changes in interceptors this way of botting has become very dangerous as well. If you don't vigilantly watch intel channels and have a scout in pipe systems you gonna lose ships.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7 - 2014-05-15 16:08:23 UTC
Namiene wrote:
'But this isnt fair'!, i hear you cry.


No you dont

"Nothing is fair" you hear me cry

Please explain who a botting ratter is not an easy kill?

Rat the ratters

Feast on their drops and crew

Hunger for fresh flesh

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-05-15 16:15:46 UTC
Security presentation showed that most botting occurs in highsec.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#9 - 2014-05-15 16:21:04 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Security presentation showed that most botting occurs in highsec.

In absolute numbers or in percentage per population?

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Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#10 - 2014-05-15 16:30:00 UTC
Be boop I am a robot.

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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#11 - 2014-05-15 16:31:54 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
So where are these armies of null sec bots you are talking about?

Got any proof.. screenshots etc?

So again, where exactly are these army of bots you are talking about?


Mostly in high-sec but low and null is infested too. See this for more details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZR9w3ftjY

The most relevant parts are around 18-20 minutes and 33-35 minutes. But I recommend you watch all of it. The part between 35 and 37 minutes is hilarious.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#12 - 2014-05-15 16:36:27 UTC
You very obviously don't know what you're talking about.

Also you said afk cloakers work against miner bots. They obviously work just as well against ratting bots.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-05-15 16:48:11 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Security presentation showed that most botting occurs in highsec.

In absolute numbers or in percentage per population?


I'm fairly certain both but, you'll have to wait for me to get off of work to verify.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#14 - 2014-05-15 16:51:22 UTC
Once again, a waste of electrons.

The cartels will not allow CCP to go after null sec bots.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-05-15 16:56:26 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Once again, a waste of electrons.

The cartels will not allow CCP to go after null sec bots.


Remember the facts show highsec bots the most.

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Dave stark
#16 - 2014-05-15 16:57:23 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Once again, a waste of electrons.

The cartels will not allow CCP to go after null sec bots.


oh ****, the tin man is here.

fun fact: if you're botting, ccp will ban you; they don't care who you are.
Prince Kobol
#17 - 2014-05-15 16:57:28 UTC
Sable Moran wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
So where are these armies of null sec bots you are talking about?

Got any proof.. screenshots etc?

So again, where exactly are these army of bots you are talking about?


Mostly in high-sec but low and null is infested too. See this for more details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZR9w3ftjY

The most relevant parts are around 18-20 minutes and 33-35 minutes. But I recommend you watch all of it. The part between 35 and 37 minutes is hilarious.



Well the parts between 18 - 20 minutes do not mention location at all and is about The strike rule and types of bots.

The other part is showing that HS seems to be the worst place for all types of bots so pretty much destroys the OP's argument that its all in null.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-05-15 16:59:27 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Once again, a waste of electrons.

The cartels will not allow CCP to go after null sec bots.


oh ****, the tin man is here.

fun fact: if you're botting, ccp will ban you; they don't care who you are.


I was thinking more along the lines of the scarecrow is here but I suppose if you squint he fits the tinman better.

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Prince Kobol
#19 - 2014-05-15 17:00:26 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Once again, a waste of electrons.

The cartels will not allow CCP to go after null sec bots.



Considering CCP showed themselves during fanfest that most bots work out of HS pretty much kills your argument.. well if you had a argument and you weren't just a raving paranoid lunatic..

Sorry that is right, CCP is working with the null sec Cartels so of course that would mean they would create an entire false presentation to show that HS is actually the worse place for bots.

Silly me
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#20 - 2014-05-15 17:04:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Once again, a waste of electrons.

The cartels will not allow CCP to go after null sec bots.


You are against the bots too?

Damn, Ill have to find some reason or way to support them then

They must be damaging you High Sec Imperial Fascists some how

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