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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-05-14 06:36:16 UTC
cos Tidi

and grrr goons

Note that there is a carrier to kill in the new player SOE Blood Stained Stars Epic Arc by the way. Disappointingly for a lot of new players its somewhat empty of loot when you do finally kill it.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#22 - 2014-05-14 07:28:26 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
Awesome! Another "Harry formula" post!

Formula goes thus:
1) Post dumb idea
2) insult anyone who says anything against it
3) goto 2

Seriously though Harry, if you want big fleet fights go and join a corp or alliance that has big fleet fights. It's not that hard. However, experience has taught me that you're not after a solution to your problems, you're after what you want because you want it so I really only expect 2) as usual.


you don't get the point as usual, and i wont join your mining fleets, this is about fights dude


Ah, you never cease to fulfil your number 2 role, Harry. Dumb attempts at insults. Awesome! I fly in large fleets that kill cap ships quite a bit when I have time to play. I can't remember the last time I was in a mining fleet.

Harry Forever wrote:
with big fights in regards of the carrier event, I mean PVE, 500+ people fighting the NPC carriers

I take it you've never actually fought a carrier then? 500 people shooting a carrier wouldn't be a fight. It would be over in seconds.

Harry Forever wrote:
nullsec has no big fights either

And another statement that proves you know nothing about the subject you're talking about.

I just love these car-crash Harry threads. :)
shimiku
Zircron Industries
#23 - 2014-05-14 09:01:57 UTC
Just Want to point this out Large fight Are only epic becuase they dont happen all the time if you were able to get in to a fight with 1k+ players every 6hour or so then large fight will begin to be something no one give a f about becuase they Are so comment
Anthar Thebess
#24 - 2014-05-14 09:21:22 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
cos Tidi

and grrr goons

Note that there is a carrier to kill in the new player SOE Blood Stained Stars Epic Arc by the way. Disappointingly for a lot of new players its somewhat empty of loot when you do finally kill it.


It could at least drop 100mil , that's nothing ... but priceless for newbies.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2014-05-14 16:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Daichi Yamato wrote:
How is that any different from a big incursion? Rather than running these events with 500 players, why not take the same 500 players and invade ur neighbours? Make them defend their stuff or lose it.

Hi-sec players might show interest in these events. unless of course it somehow leads to PvP, then they'll avoid it like the plague. What do u think incursions would be like if u went suspect for entering a site or shooting an incursion rat? Because thats what ur idea is. Its not going to be like a high profile dev-lead event that took months to plan and is part of the eve back story. They wont be mini-battles for caldari.

if ur bored get some friends, go out and shoot something.


because those 500 players don't have to be in a fleet, therefore its much easier to join the fight... it has nothing to do with going suspect, you ever killed a rat and did go suspect? guess not...

you also don't seem to understand that I'm grown up, joining a fleet or a corp with you kids is something impossible for me... there needs to be more ways to join fights without joining your coms and stuff, honestly you guys would anoy the **** out of me

most of the gamers out there are like me, they just won't tell you

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-05-14 16:59:42 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
i agree that incursions are a pain in the arse to get into. id like some more group orientated hi-sec content. it doesnt even have to pay anywhere near what incursion runners get.

But random carrier spawns here and there is not going to be the big battles i think ud expect. People see the big fights in the news involving Null sec. Then they join the game and mull about aimlessly in hi-sec, where ppl rarely play together.


nullsec has no big fights either, I mean not frequent enough not big enough, those carrier fights could be a starter, or for the time waiting until something really big is happening like BR... nullsec is 90% of the time extremely boring

you need to be able to login and have something going on, however most of the time nothing is happening... frequent npc carrier events would change that and bring people together, out of that the rest of the game could evolve much better I think



We had a 4 hour fight with about 350 pilots only a few jumps away from where you are currently living ( assuming you are still in geminate?) on sunday.
We had similar ones but not as long but with 200 or so pilots several times in the last week.
We arrange these fights by hitting xxdeath /pets assets and then turning up to timers that suit us.
They are far bigger than us so it is tricky to win and provides us with great entertainment even when we lose.
We also find many smaller fights every day.
Often within a few jumps of where you are cloaked currently.
Have you considered afk cloaking in BWF? it is a few jumps from you and people visit throughout the day looking for fights.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2014-05-14 17:21:15 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
i agree that incursions are a pain in the arse to get into. id like some more group orientated hi-sec content. it doesnt even have to pay anywhere near what incursion runners get.

But random carrier spawns here and there is not going to be the big battles i think ud expect. People see the big fights in the news involving Null sec. Then they join the game and mull about aimlessly in hi-sec, where ppl rarely play together.


nullsec has no big fights either, I mean not frequent enough not big enough, those carrier fights could be a starter, or for the time waiting until something really big is happening like BR... nullsec is 90% of the time extremely boring

you need to be able to login and have something going on, however most of the time nothing is happening... frequent npc carrier events would change that and bring people together, out of that the rest of the game could evolve much better I think



We had a 4 hour fight with about 350 pilots only a few jumps away from where you are currently living ( assuming you are still in geminate?) on sunday.
We had similar ones but not as long but with 200 or so pilots several times in the last week.
We arrange these fights by hitting xxdeath /pets assets and then turning up to timers that suit us.
They are far bigger than us so it is tricky to win and provides us with great entertainment even when we lose.
We also find many smaller fights every day.
Often within a few jumps of where you are cloaked currently.
Have you considered afk cloaking in BWF? it is a few jumps from you and people visit throughout the day looking for fights.


at the moment I'm ratting until my tengu is leveled up, after that i most probably will go back to deklein killing goon ishtars... i have seen you guys camping with falcon/sabre, also noticed some fights going on in BWF when passing buy...

at the end I see you guys waiting long hours for a kill as well, many times... thats not what I'm suggesting here... there is enough waiting in the game, actually too much of it, my suggestion would shorten this up, by killing some bigger NPC rats from time to time... It sure would not hurt other playstyles, it even would assure that more people move around system in bigger fleets and stuff

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Itrala
Trains Awesomeness
#28 - 2014-05-14 18:16:39 UTC
Big fight equals to TIDI which CCP cannot provide ressources for ALL the time.

I went to those carrier event and I had a fight or 2 in 1000+ player when we got hotdrop by a carrier blob (we even had carriers) but it was awesome because it is not everyday you get those fights.

If you were to get carrier kill every hour. I would get bored quickly and probably a lot of other people as well. They are looking for small fight that can escalate into BR-5RB or Asakai. But they are not looking to get HS free carrier kill (we saw that with the Super of the Caldari navy)

I think that we need to get the incursion opened to new players with a cruiser en below spawn only. It would give newbies with a fun way to get a group and still participate into those incursions until they are with the right skills to pilot a Vindicator or a Machariel or a Logistic ship. They would be able to still do something fun at their level.

Big fight is not the solution.

Want it ? Go null sec and train for a capital ship. Then wait. Eve is all about waiting for the right oportunities....
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2014-05-14 18:17:58 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
How is that any different from a big incursion? Rather than running these events with 500 players, why not take the same 500 players and invade ur neighbours? Make them defend their stuff or lose it.

Hi-sec players might show interest in these events. unless of course it somehow leads to PvP, then they'll avoid it like the plague. What do u think incursions would be like if u went suspect for entering a site or shooting an incursion rat? Because thats what ur idea is. Its not going to be like a high profile dev-lead event that took months to plan and is part of the eve back story. They wont be mini-battles for caldari.

if ur bored get some friends, go out and shoot something.


because those 500 players don't have to be in a fleet, therefore its much easier to join the fight... it has nothing to do with going suspect, you ever killed a rat and did go suspect? guess not...

you also don't seem to understand that I'm grown up, joining a fleet or a corp with you kids is something impossible for me... there needs to be more ways to join fights without joining your coms and stuff, honestly you guys would anoy the **** out of me

most of the gamers out there are like me, they just won't tell you



If five hundred randoms show up to attack some NPCs in dangerous space with no co-ordination whatsoever, what do you think is going to happen to them when some remotely co-ordinated PVP group shows up?
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2014-05-14 22:04:49 UTC
Itrala wrote:
Big fight equals to TIDI which CCP cannot provide ressources for ALL the time.

I went to those carrier event and I had a fight or 2 in 1000+ player when we got hotdrop by a carrier blob (we even had carriers) but it was awesome because it is not everyday you get those fights.

If you were to get carrier kill every hour. I would get bored quickly and probably a lot of other people as well. They are looking for small fight that can escalate into BR-5RB or Asakai. But they are not looking to get HS free carrier kill (we saw that with the Super of the Caldari navy)

I think that we need to get the incursion opened to new players with a cruiser en below spawn only. It would give newbies with a fun way to get a group and still participate into those incursions until they are with the right skills to pilot a Vindicator or a Machariel or a Logistic ship. They would be able to still do something fun at their level.

Big fight is not the solution.

Want it ? Go null sec and train for a capital ship. Then wait. Eve is all about waiting for the right oportunities....


they invented TIDI to make it possible, your comment does not make sense... you also don't understand that this is not about training for capital ships, its a possibility for newbs to see what the game can provide... can you fly a capital ship at the start? uhm nope... you kind of missed the topic here, please read through it again to assure you understand exactly what I'm talking about

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2014-05-14 22:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Danika Princip wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
How is that any different from a big incursion? Rather than running these events with 500 players, why not take the same 500 players and invade ur neighbours? Make them defend their stuff or lose it.

Hi-sec players might show interest in these events. unless of course it somehow leads to PvP, then they'll avoid it like the plague. What do u think incursions would be like if u went suspect for entering a site or shooting an incursion rat? Because thats what ur idea is. Its not going to be like a high profile dev-lead event that took months to plan and is part of the eve back story. They wont be mini-battles for caldari.

if ur bored get some friends, go out and shoot something.


because those 500 players don't have to be in a fleet, therefore its much easier to join the fight... it has nothing to do with going suspect, you ever killed a rat and did go suspect? guess not...

you also don't seem to understand that I'm grown up, joining a fleet or a corp with you kids is something impossible for me... there needs to be more ways to join fights without joining your coms and stuff, honestly you guys would anoy the **** out of me

most of the gamers out there are like me, they just won't tell you



If five hundred randoms show up to attack some NPCs in dangerous space with no co-ordination whatsoever, what do you think is going to happen to them when some remotely co-ordinated PVP group shows up?


tactical narcotics fly with no co-ordination every day, why would you be bothered by that?

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2014-05-14 23:05:26 UTC
Clearly ganking AFK ratters gives you a wonderful insight into these things.

Now, what do your five hundred people who aren't even fleeted, much less co-ordinated do when Rooks and Kings, Pandemic Legion or one of the other groups who are actually good at the game show up with an actual fleet?
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-05-15 04:21:19 UTC
...aaand on that note I'm gonna unsub from this thread

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2014-05-15 09:40:12 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Clearly ganking AFK ratters gives you a wonderful insight into these things.

Now, what do your five hundred people who aren't even fleeted, much less co-ordinated do when Rooks and Kings, Pandemic Legion or one of the other groups who are actually good at the game show up with an actual fleet?


This is about free for all fights, not everybody needs the safety of a fleet to have fun... not even in bigger fights

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2014-05-15 09:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
shimiku wrote:
Just Want to point this out Large fight Are only epic becuase they dont happen all the time if you were able to get in to a fight with 1k+ players every 6hour or so then large fight will begin to be something no one give a f about becuase they Are so comment


have you ever been addicted to something? if you are you want more, and more, and more... however your comment indicates you just don't care about big fights at all...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#36 - 2014-05-15 09:55:14 UTC
I really don't see this working the way you expect it to.

At best an organised group would pop and loot the NPC before anyone else got to it and at worst I suspect it would probably be used as a lure that would allow organised groups to harvest easy kills. Either way I doubt it would do much to aid new player retention.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2014-05-15 10:22:02 UTC
Samillian wrote:
I really don't see this working the way you expect it to.

At best an organised group would pop and loot the NPC before anyone else got to it and at worst I suspect it would probably be used as a lure that would allow organised groups to harvest easy kills. Either way I doubt it would do much to aid new player retention.


they tested it already, and it did work like intended

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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#38 - 2014-05-15 10:50:32 UTC
Occasional one-offs a tested mechanic do not make.

Make it a regular occurrence and it will be exploited to the its maximum potential be it for profit or tears.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
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