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Nakami Saans
Conclave of Independent Pilots
#1 - 2014-05-15 04:04:29 UTC
Where, in your opinion, is better for exploration? Lowsec or Nullsec? I'm not just looking for Isk/hr but which is more fun?

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2014-05-15 04:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Nakami Saans wrote:
Where, in your opinion, is better for exploration? Lowsec or Nullsec? I'm not just looking for Isk/hr but which is more fun?

Nullsec.

I explore in both lowsec and Syndicate on an alt and find more value in terms of blueprints, materials and parts in null than in low.

The other aspect is the lower population actually makes exploration in nullsec easier in many ways than in lowsec, as long as you look after your safety, it can be much quieter and you can run more sites in a given period of time in null compared to low.
Nakami Saans
Conclave of Independent Pilots
#3 - 2014-05-15 04:17:17 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Nakami Saans wrote:
Where, in your opinion, is better for exploration? Lowsec or Nullsec? I'm not just looking for Isk/hr but which is more fun?

Nullsec.

I explore in both lowsec and Syndicate on an alt and find more value in terms of blueprints, materials and parts in null than in low.

The other aspect is the lower population actually makes exploration in nullsec easier in many ways than in lowsec, as long as you look after your safety, it can be much quieter and you can run more sites in a given period of time in null compared to low.


But which gives you a better thrill as far as danger, making isk isn't my primary goal in exploration, it's traveling to different systems and seeing the EVE universe.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#4 - 2014-05-15 04:18:29 UTC
Nakami Saans wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Nakami Saans wrote:
Where, in your opinion, is better for exploration? Lowsec or Nullsec? I'm not just looking for Isk/hr but which is more fun?

Nullsec.

I explore in both lowsec and Syndicate on an alt and find more value in terms of blueprints, materials and parts in null than in low.

The other aspect is the lower population actually makes exploration in nullsec easier in many ways than in lowsec, as long as you look after your safety, it can be much quieter and you can run more sites in a given period of time in null compared to low.


But which gives you a better thrill as far as danger, making isk isn't my primary goal in exploration, it's traveling to different systems and seeing the EVE universe.


I would hazard from his post...Low Sec.
Nakami Saans
Conclave of Independent Pilots
#5 - 2014-05-15 04:22:35 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Nakami Saans wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Nakami Saans wrote:
Where, in your opinion, is better for exploration? Lowsec or Nullsec? I'm not just looking for Isk/hr but which is more fun?

Nullsec.

I explore in both lowsec and Syndicate on an alt and find more value in terms of blueprints, materials and parts in null than in low.

The other aspect is the lower population actually makes exploration in nullsec easier in many ways than in lowsec, as long as you look after your safety, it can be much quieter and you can run more sites in a given period of time in null compared to low.


But which gives you a better thrill as far as danger, making isk isn't my primary goal in exploration, it's traveling to different systems and seeing the EVE universe.


I would hazard from his post...Low Sec.


My bad, I misread his post Ugh

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6 - 2014-05-15 04:29:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
If risk is your thrill, you can certainly find it in nullsec easily.

So in general, I find nullsec safer because I move around in quiet systems. Quiet systems also exist in lowsec, but the higher population means there are more people to pass at gates and more pass through systems while I'm running sites. When my alt is not running sites, I'm often dropping in on explorers to say hello just as many other PvP oriented players do; and that is more common in lowsec because there's no bubbles to worry about so it's easy to roam solo in a non cloaked and non-nullified PvP ship.

However, if you want to run sites in busy systems, then nullsec will provide you more thrill Im sure.
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#7 - 2014-05-15 05:21:08 UTC
Agreed with NullSec.

Use DotLan to see the systems in red from the number of jumps and stay away from those.

Using Wormholes as bypass is cool too, especially as the intel channels in null sec will loose track of you there, but keep going forward through a wormhole chain to minimize your risks of being caught (provided you are reasonably fast with scanning)

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-15 05:22:39 UTC
isn't the fun really going to be the same cause it's exactly the same stuff, just different loot?

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Mario Putzo
#9 - 2014-05-15 06:17:51 UTC
Lowsec will likely give you more thrill value. Nullsec is pretty freaking barren.
Nullsec will give you more isk value. Lowsec has more competition.

A mix of both is pretty nice and breaks things up. Geminate/Vale of the Silent/Tribute are all decent options for money making. Any of the FW areas are pretty good for thrill seeking/fighting.
Wraith Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-05-15 06:26:55 UTC
Null Sec is obviously way more dangerous than low sec, therefore a lot more fun.

If you're aware of what you're doing, and have at least improved cloaking device (preferably covops), you can't get gate camped in lowsec, because no one gets a chance to lock you before warping.

NullSec on the other hand you have to deal with warp bubbles at gates, which will be the end of you if the gate campers manage to uncloak you.

I never scan or hack if there's other players in system either, I wait 5 minutes and move on if they still in system.
Noel Wolfisheim
Project Blackwolf
#11 - 2014-05-15 06:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Noel Wolfisheim
Speaking about profitability Null Sec is the most profitable for exploration, as it's commonly accepted that more risk is generally involved. However, you shouldn't turn down the possibilities offered by Low Sec space as they are also profitable, albeit to an extent lower than Null Sec.

On the other hand, I cannot really reply to what is more "fun" that is quite generic. Fun in what way? Fun as in, enjoyment of hacking a data site with enemies scanning you down, or as in the fulfillment of successfully hacking in itself?
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#12 - 2014-05-15 06:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Harrison Tato
I have just spent 6 hours running from Delve to Perrigen Falls and have found 2 relic sites! Must have been 80 systems and 3 wormholes. Some nights just suck lol. Got to wave at a Maraque Enterprises gatecamp twice as I backtracked! LOL. Wormholes everywhere though. Some systems had 4. So far only 35 Mil ISK. Some nights it is hundreds of millions but you can't count on it.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#13 - 2014-05-15 07:00:02 UTC
I do combat exploration in lowsec in active FW systems.
That can be fun.

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#14 - 2014-05-15 11:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Harrison Tato wrote:
I have just spent 6 hours running from Delve to Perrigen Falls and have found 2 relic sites! Must have been 80 systems and 3 wormholes. Some nights just suck lol. Got to wave at a Maraque Enterprises gatecamp twice as I backtracked! LOL. Wormholes everywhere though. Some systems had 4. So far only 35 Mil ISK. Some nights it is hundreds of millions but you can't count on it.


Drone Regions are bad for relics, presumably because drone don't have ancestors? The best place to go for ninjaing is Sansha space as the armor plates pay out well and bump the site payout above other space

As for fun, well depends. Lowsec will be more risky as neutrals will be in system and pirates possibly have the site pre scanned, in nullsec rarely will you have neuts around, the main risk is getting caught while travelling and they rarely will be prescanned, probes show on dscan long before you can warp out of site. Then again nullsec will be more like "exploration" as you will be travelling further out, and expeditions can take you to some busy systems where the locals almost certainly will scan you. Put a salvager in a high slot in case you come across any wrecks on gates. Then there is wormholes if you really want to go crazy, you can kill the rats and just leave the trigger, then hack the cans while tanking the trigger rat.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#15 - 2014-05-15 11:49:19 UTC
Nakami Saans wrote:
Where, in your opinion, is better for exploration? Lowsec or Nullsec? I'm not just looking for Isk/hr but which is more fun?


It's all crap since they introduced the vomiting cans and no rats to kill in the sites. Anyone and everyone can do it now with just about any ship, so there are far fewer chances to get anything. Before, it used to be null sec, probably still is. Just use a nullified strategic cruiser, you'll never be caught. That's my opinion.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-05-15 12:14:05 UTC
Just do both lol.... cruise around both

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-05-15 12:21:00 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Just do both lol.... cruise around both

^^this.

For example, my personal experience differs from the other posters': more competition in null, leading to hours of scanning to get just a couple of data/relic sites, some of them had already been 95% looted, in others there was some cloaked ebil piwet that blew up my poor alt's covops.

Probably depends a lot on the region and timezone, so just try both out for yourself.

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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#18 - 2014-05-15 20:12:54 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
I have just spent 6 hours running from Delve to Perrigen Falls and have found 2 relic sites! Must have been 80 systems and 3 wormholes. Some nights just suck lol. Got to wave at a Maraque Enterprises gatecamp twice as I backtracked! LOL. Wormholes everywhere though. Some systems had 4. So far only 35 Mil ISK. Some nights it is hundreds of millions but you can't count on it.


Drone Regions are bad for relics, presumably because drone don't have ancestors? The best place to go for ninjaing is Sansha space as the armor plates pay out well and bump the site payout above other space

As for fun, well depends. Lowsec will be more risky as neutrals will be in system and pirates possibly have the site pre scanned, in nullsec rarely will you have neuts around, the main risk is getting caught while travelling and they rarely will be prescanned, probes show on dscan long before you can warp out of site. Then again nullsec will be more like "exploration" as you will be travelling further out, and expeditions can take you to some busy systems where the locals almost certainly will scan you. Put a salvager in a high slot in case you come across any wrecks on gates. Then there is wormholes if you really want to go crazy, you can kill the rats and just leave the trigger, then hack the cans while tanking the trigger rat.



Thanks for the tips. I just go where the wormholes take me. Maybe I will get lucky next time!
Leafar Nightfall
Silent Owls
#19 - 2014-05-15 20:20:21 UTC
Nakami Saans wrote:
Where, in your opinion, is better for exploration? Lowsec or Nullsec? I'm not just looking for Isk/hr but which is more fun?


I prefer null for some reasons. Not only the income is much higher, but it's also far more thrilling. The chance you can be interrupted running a site in low sec is higher imo since anyone can use a ship for scanning, use a station to reship and visit the sites regularly.

Since the sites are more explored in null due to the income, there's less of them and they are more spread, so it's unlikely to have people frequently visiting them looking for explorers. Sure, you still have someone waiting there cloaked or scanning the site, but that sounds more thrilling to me then simply having someone warping in and killing you right away when you can't see that comming in time (D-scanning probes is more likely then D-scanning a ship warping in I guess)

And since the income is higher, you'r risk/reward ratio is much different then in low. The last time I did exploration I had a ~120 million cargo and spent 3 days investigating the system I was in in Dotlan to find a time slot when it wouldn't have a gate camp. Since the losses are greater you have to be extra-careful and that's more thrilling
Torrentula
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-05-15 21:00:37 UTC
Drone region sucks. To many bubbles sitting around and worst part hardly any sites at all. Lowsec you might consider more thrilling due to how many people there are. There's more sites to do in null then low. Three hours or less can bring in 100m. I'm still at lvl 4 skills so the payout can be better. I do all can vs picking no matter how crappy. Null is much safer then low even with bubbles. Odds gate camp will get you is slim to none. Finding wormholes to null is a waste of time. Set shortest path and gun it. 15 minutes vs 2 hours of wasted time.

Null is exciting. I usually scan with a few people in the system because I can warp or cloak easily enough and they are proudly doing their own thing. Well I saw a heron and thought oh another explorer. We can be civil and do our own cans. They warped off and come back with a pvp fit and tore my astero a new one. Lesson learned. One day I will have vengeance. Stuff like this is fun. Overcrowded systems aren't.
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