Crime & Punishment

That was your first and only mistake right there. You start playing a game you don't know anything about with the capital of someone who's been playing for years. Start out where you belong, which is at the bottom of the food chain. As your wealth slowly grows, so does your knowledge of the game. And the bigger your knowledge, the smaller the chances of sh*t like this happening to your hard earned bought money.

Having said that, the margin trading scam is a classic example of game mechanics being used in unpredicted creative ways. As such there are plans to make the use of Margin Trading a little more obvious so you don't get screwed over by unobservable game mechanics.

TIL: Marketbears think they will get sympathy in C&P.

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... wat? Worst advice ever. Go home.

Welcome to eve. You are rewarded for what you know, and punished severely for what you don't.

Try to learn what you can and find a group of players whose knowledge you can lean on (hint: it's much better to try to find these people in a player corp rather than the forums).

Accept this mistake and the many more you will make in the future as learning experiences and you'll do fine.

Don't listen to this guy. Fit your Raven in the best accoutrements (deadpsace/faction) isk can buy, hit me up in game and I'll safely escort you to our secret university in Syndicate (have to keep the riff raff out) where we offer advanced market classes for nominal sums of isk. We even offer a double YOUR isk back guarantee for the non believers in our 7 step market "Mogul" plan.

All CCP needs to do is remove margin orders. It will not crash the economy. The only other option is to stick the holder of the order woth the risk of insufficient funds, like in real life. This would take actual human attention though, which game developers are resistant to.

Nope, you're wrong. 99% of the margin orders on the market are from legitimate traders leveraging their isk efficiently. Removing the margin orders will collapse the market because it'll remove at least 70% of buy orders. Penalising a margin trade scammer for insufficient funds will do diddly squat, because alts are a thing.

Do you understand the concept of a niche game? Eve is one of them, as such it's never going to attract the sub numbers garnered by the likes of WoW, and all evidence points to CCP liking it that way because it means they don't have to deal with millions of whiny themeparkers.

Welcome to Eve, were all evil sick sadistic bastards here. Even the carebears are too evil for WoW, or at least the ones who learn to adapt and stay alive. I do mostly market stuff now days when my account is active since my internet connection is too crappy to do any missioning, PVP, etc. In the course of a few hours of actual work I can make 600-900mil profit when the dust settles. Beyond that I let this character skill train for the day I actually feel like dying in a fiery ball of death caused by my service providers internet connection when I go into actual combat in PVE/PVP.

No scamming needed for me at this point, it's either too much effort to do for too little profit or I just plain don't want to put up the capital to do it. Though in the past I've been known to crash markets for fun, annoy the crap out of people with .01isk games in small markets where the little competition I had decided to pack up and leave because they couldn't keep up with my .01isk games and thus couldn't sell their goods. It's amazing how often you can change your orders when you decide to check the orders after every page you read while studying .

So my advice don't think that because you were good at other MMO's markets that it mean you will be good at this. Welcome to the big leagues we through your training wheels out of the airlock along with the bicycle. If you want to keep up learn that the market is just another form of PVP in this game. And just a heads up expect for everyone to scam you if you give them a chance, or they try to make that chance to scam you. I just had someone attempt to yesterday, I laughed at it.

They messaged me asking if I was willing to take 410mil for an item I was selling for 424mil, I said ok. Just buy it and I refund you the 14mil, scouts honor I'd rather take the quick cash now but if I cancel the order I am out another 4-6mil in the contract fees I paid so I go about it this way. Instead they chose to send me a WTB contract in which I PAY THEM the item plus 415mil as "It's all the money I have". I laughed at that poor attempt, first off I knew that probably happen so I didn't take down my contract. Secondly I run my own corp and put majority of my isk in my corp wallet so I don't do something stupid like accidentally click ok to something like that and be out of a large amount of isk. It's my insurance policy against being stupid. If I want to spend large amounts of isk I have to take it out of my corp wallet, probably saved me once or twice when I was sleep deprived and misread something in the past.

Seems your familiar with margin trading now that you have been a victim of it but there are a lot of other scams which include game mechanics and social engineering. So be cautious. Oh and don't be stupid and fly around with a lot of valuable goods in a ship and not expect to be popped, the only time you can do that is if you are so far beyond unprofitable to be popped it's not worth it for that reason and it take too much effort to do so to try to extract your tears.

i'm pretty happy ccp is trying to get rid of the margin trading scam. It's one thing for a player to scam another player, and it's another for the market to scam a player.