EVE General Discussion

As a current player you are still far better than new players joining after the patch who will have to train all three skills to V separately. I suggest waiting till after the patch and then lurking in noob school chats where you can razz new players explaining how "if only they had joined 4 weeks earlier they would be weeks better off in skill".


Alternative ... realize this is not a SP focused game and forget the silly SP mini-game people from other MMOs try and import to EVE and get out and actually play EVE.

It's because we think it's hilarious that people that aren't losing anything are so butthurt about some other people gaining a small something for free.

I was wrong initially about the mechanics of the skill split.
But I've decided I was actually right as far as whether or not there should be reimbursement.

I trained SDO 5 and CDO 5. Someone who has SDO 5 and doesn't have CDO at all will get exactly the same skills as I will. Someone who trained SDO 5 and not CDO 5 has an advantage of up to 512,000 SP.

So really anyone with SDO level >= CDO level should have their SP in CDO reimbursed as it doesn't apply at all to the skill change. Someone with SDO 5 and CDO 5 should therefore be reimbursed 512,000 SP.

lol, the sense of entitlement is strong in this one Padwan


I am more than happy to have free SP if they want to refund my whole one week or so of training but seriously I really do not care if they do or not.

Its because as a result of the change you are actually getting a week of training for free, you will get 3 skills for either two or one compared to someone who subs after summer.

Also SP obsessed players eventually quit so its not a habit to encourage.


Note that there is nothing been said either way about SP reimbursement, it may still happen. (The main reason they are WARY of SP reimbursement isprobably that every time they do it, people then whine demanding more for a year or more afterwards).

I get free skills sure, but if I did not train CDO because of the dev blog, I would have gotten the same skills AND spend 11 days on something else -> even more skill points...

Yes there is lost. Nothing was written on dev blog. I am not required to sift thru some forum posts. I am not even required to go to forums. Dev blogs should be sufficient. Stop apologizing to CCP **** ups. They did not mention it, they should refund. I have gained what everyone else will. However, I have lost week of training for skill that bears nothing for me before change and will be lost after change. If the initial dev blog said that SCO/CDO will both be ones used to get new skills and only highest, I would HAVE NOT TRAINED CDO AT ALL. I don't get why you can't see this. 11 days is wasted, in which I could have trained something else AND STILL GET SAME BENEFITS.

Also, stop calling it "speculation". Dev blog mentioned CDO will be split. It is only logical people will train that skill even if they not need it. And not for SP gain, but for the fact that they might need the skills that CDO would be split later. But now those people leaned that that was a waste of time.

What was lost?
In fact, let's be specific here: what skill at what levels did you have before the blog? What skills did you train to what levels after the blog was released, and when did you start training them?

You're not required to read the devblogs either. But if you do read the blogs, it's always a good idea to look through the attached dev posts to find out all the details, especially if it's about something that will happen in a long while since you just know things will change between now and then.

Oh, and guess what? They did mention it very soon after the blog was up, and it was trivial to find.

I don't have to since they didn't **** anything up. Instead, how about you stop trying to blame others for your own ****-ups?

Refund what? You mean take back the additional training time they're giving you?

If it does nothing for you before or after the change, maybe you shouldn't have trained it… hmm?

You tried to speculate on a patch change without figuring out the details (and yes, it is speculation — you were trying to extract future gains from a smaller investment based on an assumed upcoming change) and since you didn't do the due diligence, the speculation pay-out will be less than you expected.

If you managed to “waste” 11 days when the clarification came less than two days after the blog was released, you effed up. Doubly so since you somehow managed to waste 11 days on a rank-2 skill… If you did something as silly as jump immediately to get these skills before the details were out, even though the change itself was probably months away, you would have “lost” at most two days (which weren't lost anyway). Even if you did something really stupid, like keep training after the details were out, you will still end up with more SP than you trained for. So in the end, you lose nothing. You only ever gain from this change, and the notion that you should be reimbursed because your inattentiveness caused you to earn less is nothing short of idiotic.

All the information you needed to make an informed decision was there, and you instead chose to make an uninformed one. Stop trying to blame your failure on others.

CCP should give me all the SP because I said so.

I benefit massively from these 33% free SP — it means I don't have to spend half a week retraining abilities I already have.
It also means that the notion that somehow time or SP is “wasted” is nonsensical — how is it wasted if I end up with more than I had?

How is it lost when I end up with 33% more than I had?
Why should I be given 50% more SP on top of the 33% I'm already being given?

…and if you choose to speculate, you take on the risks of such speculations. So don't start complaining when your assumptions turn out wrong. Especially don't start complaining when there was no need to assume anything since the information needed to make an informed choice was readily available.