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Feedback on the new tool tips
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#1 - 2014-05-13 12:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
First impression: Meh

More detailed below:

Firstfirst off: I had a couple of You Don't Say moments. For instance, with this tool tip for Mail and in general with the overview tool tips, such as Station or Beacon. I mean, are we really so dense now that we need to be told that the Mail menu is for sending and receiving mails, or that this icon is a Station and the other a Beacon? And, if we are so daft now and need this kind of walking aid, why not make it a useful walker and tell me what kind of station it is or what kind of Beacon.

Secondly: The tooltip in contracts needs to be made clearer. 1 line, 1 information:


  • Route (in orange)
  • Location (I guess the distance indicator should stay where it is, because otherwise people would mix it up with something else and proper naming would end up in a long text)
  • Volume (in orange)
  • Contract type
  • Issuer


Thirdly: Do the stack tool tips really need to display all the text on an object? I mean, it is very ... informative (Roll) to read all this Russian or other languages' garbage on these depots or cans or in ship names, but I would rather see what is in space and not have half of my screen width covered with lots of white space just because 1 person felt writing a novel on $RANDOM OBJECT$ was necessary. The more condensed version, which you see when you are lucky and don't hover over aforementioned objects, uses up a lot less space and still leaves room for what is really important to know.

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#2 - 2014-05-13 12:59:28 UTC
agree with all of the above, and would very much like a granular disable option. Some of these are handy, majority of them are either redundant, in the way or not needed by experienced players. Being able to choose which ones i want to see would be amazing.
John WarpingSlow
#3 - 2014-05-13 13:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: John WarpingSlow
A way to selectively turn some of these tool-tips off would be very much appreciated.

The tooltips that appear on the cans ejected from a relic and data sites interfere with being able to get the proper cans, quickly.

{ edit }: Optionally as a quick fix, could a global option to turn on/off tooltips be provided on the ESC menu, "Display & Graphics" tab? That might be easier to implement until a more granular set of checkboxes could be designed and provided.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2014-05-13 13:40:29 UTC
John WarpingSlow wrote:
The tooltips that appear on the cans ejected from a relic and data sites interfere with being able to get the proper cans, quickly.


This is actually absolutely abysmal. The tool tips block the cans behind and it takes a split second for the tip to appear, which is a waste of time and adds up so that you can catch even less cans. Ugh

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Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-05-13 14:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Yun Kuai
Rivr Luzade wrote:
John WarpingSlow wrote:
The tooltips that appear on the cans ejected from a relic and data sites interfere with being able to get the proper cans, quickly.


This is actually absolutely abysmal. The tool tips block the cans behind and it takes a split second for the tip to appear, which is a waste of time and adds up so that you can catch even less cans. Ugh


Stealth nerf to hacking and radar sites

Also, yes I have to agree this thing is annoying. Does my overview that clearly has a station icon need to have a pop up that tells me it's a station.....

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Clementina
University of Caille
#6 - 2014-05-13 14:17:08 UTC
Current tooltips hide what is behind them. and what is behind them could be important to look at.

The tooltips for the overview seem to be redundant. They show type but the overview already shows a type, they show corporate status but the overview can be colored to show that already if you so wish.

The tooltips for menu options are mostly useless. Only exceptions are the one for the Help button which above all else needs to explain what it does and the inventory and personal inventory ones which can be confused with one another. Some of these had tooltips before that would tell you things like how much money you have and how long a skill will take. Those were useful.

The tooltips you see when you hover over an object in space seem potentially useful, but they can't be seen as good now since tooltips block the view of things behind them.
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-05-13 14:37:32 UTC
an option to turn it off completely is all i need.

useful for newbies/morons, maybe (this is Mail, it sends Mail huurdurr)

not useful for me or other veterans. it's in the way.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2014-05-13 14:41:56 UTC
Also the tool tips on NPC are pointless. I don't want to know that I hover over a Deadspace Serpentis Rat, I want to know which rat in particular it is, if at all (yes, that information is in the overview, but I don't have my overview expanded over the entire screen and therefor only see partial names. In this case the tool tip would actually useful information for me.).

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Snuffed Out
#9 - 2014-05-13 14:55:38 UTC
I have to agree with most of what is being said, the tooltips just get in the way of pretty much everything, and when i click over a gun to see the damage, i don't want a block to take up 25% of my screen. Also on the HP bars, could we just put it back to what you wanted to know, if you are on armor, show us armor......
Clementina
University of Caille
#10 - 2014-05-13 14:59:24 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Also the tool tips on NPC are pointless. I don't want to know that I hover over a Deadspace Serpentis Rat, I want to know which rat in particular it is, if at all (yes, that information is in the overview, but I don't have my overview expanded over the entire screen and therefor only see partial names. In this case the tool tip would actually useful information for me.).


The really useless overview tooltips are when you hover over an NPC on the overview and it tell you 'Dude is hostile', 'Dude has locked you', and 'Dude has taken hostile action'. The Red cross told us that they were hostile and the flashing border around them told us if they had locked if yellow and if they were shooting if red.
Dirty Demon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-05-13 15:09:33 UTC
Yea This giant ass, SOLID BLACK , window in space that's covering up all my combat is really aweful too. I'll be back when CCP decides to remove it. It's so in the way its literally unplayable.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2014-05-13 15:53:56 UTC
This is a thread with feedback on new tooltips.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#13 - 2014-05-13 16:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Ability to turn off would be great and/or condensed versions to start with, then more information when i keep my mouse over it for like 5 seconds.

- tool tip for rats that have locked me and are using a hostile mod on me, great. But once i learn what yellow boxing and red boxing are let me turn it off. Same goes for whether its a hostile rat or a neutral rat.

- Also, tool tips in space/hud, come up too soon. A bit more of a delay that will allow me to ctrl-click objects in space to lock them before the tooltip appears and covers him and his friends would be nice.

but im still looking forward to the tool tips that show what skills affect equipment in fitting menu and attributes in Show Info menus. Also a tool tip for the effects of omni tracking links. Currently the tooltip still only says the name of the mod.

unrelated to tool tips but related to making things easier to understand at a glance.
- Could elite and faction ships and rats get slightly different icons in overview and on hud? Would a green or orange tech level symbol in the corner of the Icon work?

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Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-05-13 16:24:49 UTC
I'd give an honest feedback, but chances are, I would get banned... Evil

Whoever designed and implemented them obviously hasn't ran a single exploration site, nor shown his "solution to non-existant problem" to someone, who has...

Add an option to disable it ASAP, or remove it from the game comepletely because it's just THAT bad...
Paragoda
F.U.N. Inc.
The Ancients.
#15 - 2014-05-13 16:31:41 UTC
All of the above.
The tooltips really needs to be optionable to turn off.
Oh and CCP please stop treating us as morons with the more than obvious tooltips such as the mail and station ones.
Oma Lorche
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#16 - 2014-05-13 17:11:02 UTC
I got one issue with new tootips which is actually annoying. Prior to patch you could hover your mouse over stations names in overview window, tooltip pop up was showing full name of the station. That information was very handy as most of the station names are too long to fit in single overview column. Now all the information we see is "station" which doesnt help at all.

Please fix it.
Thank you.
Eurynome Mangeiri
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-05-13 18:02:31 UTC
tooltip in space for celestials / object => this need to go right now!

ANY personne doing pvp and using DSCAN is now in a terrible PAIN cause it goes over ALL THE THINGS.

plus, it's laggy has hell (and i have powerfull comp, i7 2600k 4.2 / SSD / Xfire r9 280x)

tldr; REMOVE IT NOW