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Post-Crius Industry in Sovereign Null-Sec Alliances

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Sonija Pator
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#1 - 2014-05-13 13:35:42 UTC
Null-sec industry, and how it is handled by alliances, is going to change. To what extent? Unknown. But we have every reason to believe that an alliance has the opportunity to gainfully exploit the changes, or ignore them and get by, but at some cost.

Besides battlecruiser hulls and up, or perhaps some means of expending local moon goo on T2 hulls, etc, Null-sec prepares for wars and stocks it's doctrines largely on Jita material, hauled on the backs of it's logistics arms. But the price of that hauling is gonna go way up. Previously, if your market ran out of doctrine materials, your JF's could take care of it, no big deal, just a trivial percentage of added cost. For any problem, a JF bound for Jita was a practical, sometimes immediate answer.
But soon, the military impact stemming from an insufficient local market is going to increase. Maybe not much, or maybe a whole lot.

Well, I'm no speculator, so I find it most sensible to work on the assumption that the impact is going to be significant, and that my alliance needs to change their ways drastically. We need to be prepared to exploit the changes, and dodge the costs of ignoring it. With the features that are going to be put in play, I don't see this as being a problem relegated to the line member - it appears to me that organizing and bureaucracy is necessary, maybe approaching the level of complexity that we already commit to our military matters.

But in this realm of organizing.... I don't know what to do at all. But maybe high-sec corps do.

So my question: Are there any examples of organized, team-oriented, many-person, integrated industry corporations in high-sec? Not just a bunch of indy's who do their own thing, I'm talking about a corp-wide operation. How are they organized? Particularly in terms of leadership and task delegation.

I've seen some evidence in the past of some corps who get professional about it. Schedules, quotas, tools to keep coordinated with your buddies in some mysterious way. What's out there?

Or maybe it's NOT actually out there yet. Maybe it will finally happen. Ideas?

It's an open-ended question, so I'll welcome any commentary or observations on the subject.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-05-13 13:41:23 UTC
there are very few and they tend to die sooner or later. there are quite a few mining corps out there, because it makes sense to work together in that regard, but for indu, the game mechanics work against teams.
350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-05-13 19:05:57 UTC
Unless you're doing some sort of profit sharing there's no motivation in the group industry. People will pitch in for corp or alliance goals, but not at the expense of their own wallets. What's been done previously is to bring industrial corps into alliance and have them seed markets provide ships etc, without any real protection from alliance. However, that model is very old and always proved at odds with the pvp'rs who would feel the industrialists were getting a free ride.

I'm sure with these changes there will be a new dynamic, but it won't be based on anything that's currently existing imho.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.

Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#4 - 2014-05-13 20:03:26 UTC
What they said.

However, I don't think Jita based logistics is going to suffer horribly. The fact is, getting moon materials in null for all possible production options is still incredibly difficult for all but the largest alliances, who btw don't do industry in the levels you speak of. The costs of jumping materials will change and markets will adapt. I don't see the changes making as big a difference as some are saying. It'll be much more dynamic but until there is an easy way to get all adv moon materials to null, I don't see much changing.

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Lugues Slive
Diamond Light Industries
#5 - 2014-05-16 14:58:03 UTC
On a small scale, I have used shared Google docs spreadsheets to orginized quotas, delivery schedules, and payments. On a larger scale a similar system could work but would require tiered leadership.

I personally enjoyed the organization that was in place, Collectors are given a feeling of purpose, a direct contracting system between Collectors and Builders reduces both parties need for logistics, and agreed upon rates make it so both parties are making money.