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Jurou Yuan
Wolfraam 74
#61 - 2014-05-12 13:17:18 UTC
You know, the good thing about you being entirely clueless about how nation works sort of clears you of any suspicion to you being a part of them. You really have no idea.

Your ignorance to the fact that literally 95% of people you come into contact with see you as a indoctrinated annoyance is just funny to me, and I have zero agenda behind me merely letting you know about that. So, just letting you know of your current social status. And before you delve into mine? I'm aware of it. I just don't care because I have better things to do.

But you're not remarkable in the fact that you blow up a lot of nation vessels. You would be hard pressed to find a non nation capsuleer who hasn't taken down at least 10 of them.

Your contribution is mediocre at best, and not noteworthy.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#62 - 2014-05-12 13:36:55 UTC
Jurou Yuan wrote:
You know, the good thing about you being entirely clueless about how nation works sort of clears you of any suspicion to you being a part of them. You really have no idea.

Your ignorance to the fact that literally 95% of people you come into contact with see you as a indoctrinated annoyance is just funny to me, and I have zero agenda behind me merely letting you know about that. So, just letting you know of your current social status. And before you delve into mine? I'm aware of it. I just don't care because I have better things to do.

But you're not remarkable in the fact that you blow up a lot of nation vessels. You would be hard pressed to find a non nation capsuleer who hasn't taken down at least 10 of them.

Your contribution is mediocre at best, and not noteworthy.


Sploosh.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-05-12 13:41:19 UTC
Jurou Yuan wrote:
You know, the good thing about you being entirely clueless about how nation works sort of clears you of any suspicion to you being a part of them. You really have no idea.

I don't need to know how it works.
I need to know how to destroy it - and, you know, I know enough to efficiently slaughter Sansha's spawns, because, luckily for us, for peoples who can think and analyze, the sansha's behaviour, just like yours, is pretty much predictable.
I have no idea how and why you sanshas work, I just know what you will do, where and when. This is enough for me.

Jurou Yuan wrote:

Your ignorance to the fact that literally 95% of people you come into contact with see you as a indoctrinated annoyance is just funny to me, and I have zero agenda behind me merely letting you know about that.

And yet you do!
Because it isn't "educating me", or "enlightening me", it is just insulting and loudmouthing, ranting and promoting Sansha propaganda against those, who fight you.
It is your program and you can't fight it. Those, who once was Sansha, are Sansha forever. Until death releases their emptied minds.

Jurou Yuan wrote:
So, just letting you know of your current social status. And before you delve into mine? I'm aware of it. I just don't care because I have better things to do.

I am pretty well aware about my social status, as well as aware, that a sansha clone like you have no idea who I am.

Jurou Yuan wrote:

But you're not remarkable in the fact that you blow up a lot of nation vessels. You would be hard pressed to find a non nation capsuleer who hasn't taken down at least 10 of them.

Your contribution is mediocre at best, and not noteworthy.

Naive sansha drone!
You are so permeated with reek of gallentean individualistic ideas, that just reading your words is disgusting.

You see, my person means nothing for me, and for many others. I am just a soldier, doing my duty. As a single entity I am nobody.... but...
But together, together we make fleets, we make communities, corporations, militias and States.
Just ten peoples like me clear Sansha vanguards without any losses, and about 40 peoples like me can remove whole Sansha incursion from constellation.
When you see US, when you see OUR FLEET, you understand, that you have absolutely nothing to counter us with.

You have already lost, Sansha.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#64 - 2014-05-12 13:46:52 UTC
And people ask me why we've chosen a 24th contract over continueing the one with 'ex-Provist and assorted madmen'- riddled STPRO.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-05-12 13:53:21 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
And people ask me why we've chosen a 24th contract over continueing the one with 'ex-Provist and assorted madmen'- riddled STPRO.


"which group of irrational racist zealots would you rather hang out with?"

Strikes me that the only correct answer to that question is "neither".

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#66 - 2014-05-12 14:18:00 UTC
Stitcher wrote:


"which group of irrational racist zealots would you rather hang out with?"

Strikes me that the only correct answer to that question is "neither".


With the use of prejudiced, stereotypical, sweeping generalizations like that why would anyone take IGS commentary seriously.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-05-12 14:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Are you suggesting that the STPRO and 24th don't contain any irrational and racist zealots?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-05-12 15:26:40 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Are you suggesting that the STPRO and 24th don't contain any irrational and racist zealots?


Are you saying that if an apple and orange are both classified as fruits, they are then exactly the same?

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-05-12 15:35:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
For the purposes of deciding what not to include in a selection of cheeses, they might as well be. That's beside the point.

The point is that of course both militias DO contain their share of irrational racist zealots, as do the FDU and TLF. And given that Desiderya's implication was that you transferred from the STPRO to the 24th so as to get away from the, quote: "ex-Provists and assorted madmen", my point was that this approach is rather like swapping beer for wine. Different though those two drinks may be, they'll both still give you a hangover.

although that's maybe not a toxic enough analogy. Let's compare... hmm... strychnine and a ball of enriched uranium. Wildly different though they may be, prolonged contact with either one is not a good idea.

If your objective is to escape the company of madmen, then seeking the company of different madmen doesn't help you.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#70 - 2014-05-12 15:42:59 UTC
Jurou Yuan wrote:


But you're not remarkable in the fact that you blow up a lot of nation vessels. You would be hard pressed to find a non nation capsuleer who hasn't taken down at least 10 of them.

Your contribution is mediocre at best, and not noteworthy.

You can get 10 in a single scout class encounter. Which can be done solo in a cruiser. Easy.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-05-12 16:14:35 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
For the purposes of deciding what not to include in a selection of cheeses, they might as well be. That's beside the point.

The point is that of course both militias DO contain their share of irrational racist zealots, as do the FDU and TLF. And given that Desiderya's implication was that you transferred from the STPRO to the 24th so as to get away from the, quote: "ex-Provists and assorted madmen", my point was that this approach is rather like swapping beer for wine. Different though those two drinks may be, they'll both still give you a hangover.

although that's maybe not a toxic enough analogy. Let's compare... hmm... strychnine and a ball of enriched uranium. Wildly different though they may be, prolonged contact with either one is not a good idea.

If your objective is to escape the company of madmen, then seeking the company of different madmen does not accomplish that objective.


And yet this still doesn't change that in my opinion, calling the entirety of the 24IC, irrational, racist, zealots constitutes what I consider to be no less prejudiced, stereotypical, or a generalization as much as something like, say, Diana Kim would say. To borrow your own analogy it's much like the choice between whether I'd prefer a cyanide pill or an organo-phosphate shower as to reading the thought and opinion of either yourself or Diana Kim.

That's okay though, this is the IGS and reading the same old prejudiced crap from one or another is the expected norm I'd say.

And a tip, I know it doesn't translate well in text, but if you didn't know Desiderya can have a penchant for sarcasm, then you do now.

Also since it might be relevant:

Sploosh.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-05-12 16:27:50 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
in my opinion, calling the entirety of the 24IC, irrational, racist, zealots constitutes what I consider to be no less prejudiced, stereotypical, or a generalization as much as something like, say, Diana Kim would say.


Your opinion would be an entirely valid criticism if I had in fact thus accused the entire 24IC.

Which I didn't, any more than Desiderya - sarcastically or not - accused the entire STPRO of being ex-Provists and madmen.

Although I will note that your corporation's departure from the Protectorate has incremented that proportion a little closer to 100%.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#73 - 2014-05-12 16:33:51 UTC
The CEP really should have done something about the STPRO. With things being up in the air so much and the whole administration largely being unreformed from the days of Heth, it's been hard to take them seriously in any way, really.

I'm glad my former-kirjuun found somewhere to land when they left STPRO, though. Something bad happens to an organisation when it lacks a purpose for too long a period of time.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#74 - 2014-05-12 17:43:14 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Just ten peoples like me clear Sansha vanguards without any losses, and about 40 peoples like me can remove whole Sansha incursion from constellation.


How many Supercarriers have you downed? 100? 1000? 10,000? Capsuleer Nullsec spazzes out and it's high news losing 100 titans. Nation can field and lose thousands and not even care. You severely overestimate your effect on Nation's Industrial power.

I once flew against Nation too. I fought against the Incursions. Starbase after Starbase we downed. A hundred Battletowers in a day? Two hundred? More? Countless thousands of battleships. Revenants going down under sustained Capsuleer fire. And Nation has not slowed one bit. I realized, as you will too one day, that such a fight will do nothing to stop Nation. You cannot win. Not that way, at any rate.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#75 - 2014-05-12 18:55:20 UTC
Please, Please, Please, keep this thread on topic. Please. Again, I would be very grateful to hear about how the program is going for the Kameiras. Please keep Nation out of this thread. Thanks.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#76 - 2014-05-12 19:17:56 UTC
Ston Momaki wrote:
...Please, keep this thread on topic.


That'd be a first for the IGS.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#77 - 2014-05-12 19:57:09 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Ston Momaki wrote:
...Please, keep this thread on topic.


That'd be a first for the IGS.

Odd, all of my threads have stayed on topic so far....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#78 - 2014-05-13 04:16:08 UTC
Ave Summit. I was actually planning on posting an update when the troops were ready to deploy in about a week or more, but now would be a good time as well.

For the past month the Kameiras turned over to us have undergone screening and are now in the process of receiving supplementary training for their new assignments. Kameiras almost never work in close proximity to civilians and it is necessary to acclimate them to their duties as a defensive response force within civilian sectors of the various contested Amarrian districts in the warzone. Their primary objectives will be to secure and evacuate civilian populations in the event of an attack, with the secondary objectives of preventing damage to civilian assets and inflicting casualties upon raiding forces.

Additionally, they are being given extensive training on how to combat clone mercenary forces, which are vastly different in doctrine and tactics than conventional ground forces. Once this is done they will be dispatched to various locations which will remain classified for operational security.

Thus far we have gathered 5,750 Kameira soldiers. It is estimated that a battalion of 700 soldiers will be needed to effectively secure a single planetary district. This means that we have enough troops to secure approximately eight districts in the warzone, with 150 soldiers held in initial reserve. The length of this first deployment will be two months so that we may gauge the effectiveness of their efforts and procure data relating to casualty rates and attrition in the field.

I hope this clears up a few things. Also, we are still accepting troops into the program, and we ask that if any of you do come across any Kameira units that you offer them the option to join our ranks. The Praetoria extend their deepest gratitude to those who have already done so.

Saints watch over us,

Aldrith Shutaq
Fleet Captain
PIE Inc.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#79 - 2014-05-13 13:30:53 UTC
Thank you. DSTON will be in touch regarding additional Kameiras currently in our care.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#80 - 2014-05-13 17:42:31 UTC
Stitcher wrote:

Your opinion would be an entirely valid criticism if I had in fact thus accused the entire 24IC.


Then what point are you trying to make with comments such as:

Stitcher wrote:
Are you suggesting that the STPRO and 24th don't contain any irrational and racist zealots?


Or

Stitcher wrote:

The point is that of course both militias DO contain their share of irrational racist zealots, as do the FDU and TLF.


Exactly?

I find it remarkably disingenuous to at one moment, remark with the implications that the entirety of the 24IC are, "irrational and racist zealots" in the context of my own corporation transferring its military contracts from the STPRO to the 24IC. To then attempt a hand at the flawed logic of, that there may be some, "irrational and racist zealots," in the 24IC then all of the 24IC must be held to the same standard. Then suddenly, now, you aren't accusing the 24IC at all!

Honestly, if you're going to peddle a bicycle, at least try going forwards, not backwards, dear.

Kurilaivonen|Concern