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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-05-12 09:27:31 UTC
Hello,

Can someone please explain to me in layman's terms what exactly is the difference between :

Adaptive Nano Plating and Adaptive Nano Membrane?

(aside from naming and the small difference in resist values.)

Thanks!

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Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-05-12 09:28:14 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Hello,

Can someone please explain to me in layman's terms what exactly is the difference between :

Adaptive Nano Plating and Adaptive Nano Membrane?

(aside from naming and the small difference in resist values.)

Thanks!

Membranes require CPU so are harder to fit on small ships or tight CPU fitting ships.
Dave Stark
#3 - 2014-05-12 09:29:08 UTC
plating doesn't require cpu, membranes do.

that makes platings extremely easy to fit, however due to the higher resists the membranes are "better".
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-12 09:33:22 UTC

Thanks for the replies.
Also is it better to go like this

[Low Slots]
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

or like this

[Low Slots]
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
[Some Repairer]
Damage Control II

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Master Tarn
Keeping Up Appearances
#5 - 2014-05-12 09:37:59 UTC
is it a mission or pvp fit? In mission situations most people choose fitting some kind of repair module because they need to be able to tank incoming damage for a longer period of time. Most pvp engagements last much shorter and many choose for a buffer tank of some sorts. In the end however, it depends on what kind of engagements you want your ship to be part of.
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-05-12 09:40:20 UTC
Don't combine Buffer Tank (Plates) with Repairers. That is usually not a good idea.

If you want an active tank, go pure resists plus repair.

Rule of thumb for beginners: Active tank is used in PvE. In PvP, try to use it in the beginning only on bonused hulls. And then mostly the "ancillary" version. (And depending on your capacitor status maybe even a second (non-ancillary) one).

Beginners usually get the most efficient PvP-setups with buffer tanks like the first one you described.


Cheers,

Ryder

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-05-12 09:43:29 UTC
Thanks Y'all!
Much appreciated!

Who says this community is bad? :P

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Dreadchain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-05-12 09:45:44 UTC
Master Tarn wrote:
is it a mission or pvp fit? In mission situations most people choose fitting some kind of repair module because they need to be able to tank incoming damage for a longer period of time. Most pvp engagements last much shorter and many choose for a buffer tank of some sorts. In the end however, it depends on what kind of engagements you want your ship to be part of.


Not quite true these days, active tanks seem to be far more popular, especially in frigate pvp. I'd rather dump the plate in favour of another damagemod and larger guns myself, but this depends on which ship you're flying. Plates work wonders on certain ships.

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Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-12 09:52:01 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Thanks Y'all!
Much appreciated!

Who says this community is bad? :P

Dumb Dumbs. :P
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-05-12 09:57:10 UTC
What the other dudes said, also note that unless you use a T2 energized membrane, a Meta 4 plating is equal/better resists without the cpu cost.

Only use T2 (or better) membranes.

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SmokinMoses
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-05-12 10:09:40 UTC
Dreadchain wrote:


Not quite true these days, active tanks seem to be far more popular, especially in frigate pvp. I'd rather dump the plate in favour of another damagemod and larger guns myself, but this depends on which ship you're flying. Plates work wonders on certain ships.



I agree with Dreadchain here, for example FW space is full of dual anci-shield booster Hawks and dual anci-armor repper Vengeances and it's absolutely ********. Straight

But I'd never fly for example the Stabber Fleet Issue with anything but buffer fit.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-05-12 10:14:22 UTC
For context the fit is supposed to be used for "stay alive long enough to GTFO" or "stay alive long enough for drones to tear them a new one or make them change their mind".

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SmokinMoses
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-05-12 10:20:07 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
For context the fit is supposed to be used for "stay alive long enough to GTFO" or "stay alive long enough for drones to tear them a new one or make them change their mind".



What ship are you aiming for?

If that is your desired pvp tactic I would recommend you fly the Vengeance or Sacrilege.

As someone said: "The Vengeance and the Sacrilege hit like a small girl, but have the staying power of an ex-wife."
Master Tarn
Keeping Up Appearances
#14 - 2014-05-12 10:20:11 UTC
Thanks Dreadchain, you are right indeed. The ancils have given us some more flexibility when it comes to fitting for pvp.

In the end Nami, your fitting should depend on the situations you are trying to get yourself into, try to fit ships strategically based on tactics you are planning to use. Once you have your ship fitted try not to get baited into fights you didn't design your ship for :p

good luck with that :)
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-05-12 10:22:47 UTC
SmokinMoses wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
For context the fit is supposed to be used for "stay alive long enough to GTFO" or "stay alive long enough for drones to tear them a new one or make them change their mind".



What ship are you aiming for?

If that is your desired pvp tactic I would recommend you fly the Vengeance or Sacrilege.

As someone said: "The Vengeance and the Sacrilege hit like a small girl, but have the staying power of an ex-wife."


Bwahahahaha! (with nose-milk-squirting imagery)

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-12 10:26:47 UTC
Well...here she is.
Supposedly to be used for some sneaky Low-Sec exploration. Currently doing it but I want t be safer.
Don't have the skills or isks to fly a Stratios yet so this is the best I could come up with.
With the fit below she gets around 11000 EHP with 74%+ all around resists

[Astero] [Columbia]
[High Slots]
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

[Med Slots]
Data Analyzer II
Cargo Scanner II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Scan Rangefinding Array II

[Low Slots]
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

[Rigs]
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Anti-Explosive Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II

[Drones]
Hobgoblin II x 15

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SmokinMoses
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-05-12 10:33:55 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Well...here she is.
Supposedly to be used for some sneaky Low-Sec exploration. Currently doing it but I want t be safer.
Don't have the skills or isks to fly a Stratios yet so this is the best I could come up with.
With the fit below she gets around 11000 EHP with 74%+ all around resists

[Astero] [Columbia]
[High Slots]
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

[Med Slots]
Data Analyzer II
Cargo Scanner II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Scan Rangefinding Array II

[Low Slots]
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

[Rigs]
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Anti-Explosive Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II

[Drones]
Hobgoblin II x 15


Looks good, except I'd load 5x Hobs, 5x Warriors and 5x Acolytes as drones, just to be more flexible with damage types and drone mwd speeds.

And also it might be worth it dropping one EANM for a Drone Damage Amplifier. Not sure how much EHP you would lose though..
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-05-12 10:35:47 UTC
SmokinMoses wrote:
[quote=Nami Kumamato]
And also it might be worth it dropping one EANM for a Drone Damage Amplifier. Not sure how much EHP you would lose though..


Arround 250-300 EHP ( 7% resists)

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SmokinMoses
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-05-12 10:39:54 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
SmokinMoses wrote:
[quote=Nami Kumamato]
And also it might be worth it dropping one EANM for a Drone Damage Amplifier. Not sure how much EHP you would lose though..


Arround 250-300 EHP ( 7% resists)


I'd say go for it then, 23% bonus dps to your drone damage might just make them change their minds. Also forgot, for escaping you'd do best if you ditched the Acolytes and loaded some ECM drones.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-05-12 10:41:26 UTC
SmokinMoses wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
SmokinMoses wrote:
[quote=Nami Kumamato]
And also it might be worth it dropping one EANM for a Drone Damage Amplifier. Not sure how much EHP you would lose though..


Arround 250-300 EHP ( 7% resists)


I'd say go for it then, 23% bonus dps to your drone damage might just make them change their minds. Also forgot, for escaping you'd do best if you ditched the Acolytes and loaded some ECM drones.


I have no idea how those work :D

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