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I am a carebear, and I support suicide-ganking

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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-03 06:45:14 UTC
Last week, I logged in shortly after downtime and saw that a courier contract I had put up earlier was still lying unfulfilled. Being the impatient pup that I was, I decided to haul the goods myself in a T1 industrial. All 1b ISK worth of goods. Since downtime only ended recently, the online population was "only" 5,000 so I figured the chances of avoiding a suicide-gank were good.

How wrong I was. Four jumps out of Jita, I suddenly found myself floating in a pod, 1b poorer. That 1b represented over half of my assets and I naturally asked myself the question every victim of a suicide-gank asks himself - "Should I continue playing this game?"

I exited, swore to myself to never play EVE again, opened up LOTRO and began the PVE grind in Middle Earth. After five minutes, I realised that accomplishments in games like WoW and LOTRO don't really mean anything. Since death is "risk-free" in these games, all accomplishments do is signify the time you spent in these games.

Not so in EVE. While accomplishments in EVE do require time as well, they also demand SKILL and INTELLIGENCE. If you lack the latter, this game will brutally punish you. Thus accomplishments in EVE are far more meaningful than in games like WoW or LOTRO. A mistake in WoW will only cost you inconvenience and a tiny bit of gold to repair your equipment. A mistake in EVE can cost everything.

It is this brutality that makes EVE so much more enticing. When you achieve something, you really achieve it. Suicide-gankers ensure there is no real safe zone in EVE. Success in EVE is earned, not given.

To all the suicide-gankers out there, thank you for making EVE an interesting place.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#2 - 2011-12-03 06:47:32 UTC
I really have nothing to add, just that I like this post. Thanks
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#3 - 2011-12-03 07:03:18 UTC
Nothing to troll here. OP is valid, worth reading and the author is a better man than most.

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.

Liam Mirren
#4 - 2011-12-03 07:32:25 UTC
Good post, no whining and a good story. +1

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
#5 - 2011-12-03 07:36:11 UTC
Your stuff (or the remains of it), send it my...oh wait, you're not quitting?

What ******* game is this again?

Wait what is this I don't even...
Handsome Hussein
#6 - 2011-12-03 07:36:16 UTC
Cool story, bro.

Really, cool story. Enjoy rebuilding, do your best to make it last.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-12-03 07:42:45 UTC
I like your attitude, OP.

Still, I am wondering why things like these never happen to me, although I am often transporting goods around Jita.
Do Minmatar industrials look too pathetic to be considered valid targets by suicide gankers?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2011-12-03 07:46:15 UTC
Can I have your oh nevermind

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Menrith Hadel
Sunset Enterprises
#9 - 2011-12-03 08:05:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
Can I have your oh nevermind

Can I have it anyway?
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#10 - 2011-12-03 08:09:48 UTC
yep. OP understood what a sandbox is.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#11 - 2011-12-03 08:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
I exited, swore to myself to never play EVE again, opened up LOTRO and began the PVE grind in Middle Earth. After five minutes, I realised that accomplishments in games like WoW and LOTRO don't really mean anything. Since death is "risk-free" in these games, all accomplishments do is signify the time you spent in these games.

Not so in EVE. While accomplishments in EVE do require time as well, they also demand SKILL and INTELLIGENCE. If you lack the latter, this game will brutally punish you. Thus accomplishments in EVE are far more meaningful than in games like WoW or LOTRO. A mistake in WoW will only cost you inconvenience and a tiny bit of gold to repair your equipment. A mistake in EVE can cost everything.

It is this brutality that makes EVE so much more enticing. When you achieve something, you really achieve it. Suicide-gankers ensure there is no real safe zone in EVE. Success in EVE is earned, not given.

To all the suicide-gankers out there, thank you for making EVE an interesting place.

I actually think this is one of the reason more people don't play EVE. Since there is no save function and everything you lose, you have to get back. I believe that when most people start off playing games, they become so used to the idea of loading from a save point or at least keeping most of your gear when you die. The scary thing of how much you can lose in this game becomes too large for some people and I think thats how carebears are created.

There is something to be said of starting small and getting used to losing cheap ships. So the lose isn't too hard to bare. I completely agree that suicide ganking adds a good amount of risk to the game. Odds are most of the time you can survive in highsec without worrying about it. But there every now and then BaM!! a little wake up call gets you and reminds you that this is EVE. You aren't safe all the time.
Athena Echo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-12-03 08:53:41 UTC
Good post author. Keep at it =D
Illwill Bill
End of employment history
#13 - 2011-12-03 09:03:32 UTC
Posting to confirm that the OP get Eve.
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#14 - 2011-12-03 09:31:05 UTC
if you support pvp then you're not a care bear.

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-03 10:01:14 UTC
Your attitude has won EVE.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-12-03 10:02:57 UTC
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
if you support pvp then you're not a care bear.

This is true. I wrote something about carebears. The OP might like it, it describes the proper attitude for the successful EVE player.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37279
Joe Astor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-03 13:06:45 UTC
I'm gonna take a stab and guess it was Uedama?

That system is popular with suicide gankers.

Lost a bil in a Badger II loaded with POS goods when my alt was new. I raged plenty for the next hour after that.
But liquidated a few assets and replaced all my losses within the next 24 hours so it wasn't that bad really

Still have the killmail linked in my browser. Some day when I am military leader of one of the major alliances, Bl00dy Phoenix will get what is coming to them *grin*
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-12-03 13:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Been there, read that many times.

Not sure if serious.

I dont mind mass murders even if they kill me.
Why because then i achieve freedom and eternal peace.

Sure its fine, but not sure if its healthy attitude.

total apathy is awesome, but why play ?
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-12-03 19:08:17 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Been there, read that many times.

Not sure if serious.

I dont mind mass murders even if they kill me.
Why because then i achieve freedom and eternal peace.

Sure its fine, but not sure if its healthy attitude.

total apathy is awesome, but why play ?


No troll. After I died, I realised that getting blown up and having your corpse pissed on is a part of the EVE experience. I now look at my venture in EVE as a story, complete with setbacks as well as accomplishments. It makes the game far more interesting than simply "min-maxing" in a risk-free environment, which tends to happen in conventional MMOs like WoW or LOTRO. I think that's the best approach for a sandbox MMO like EVE, particularly an MMO that permits cruelty between players. Twisted
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#20 - 2011-12-03 21:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
That 1b represented over half of my assets and I naturally asked myself the question every victim of a suicide-gank asks himself - "Should I continue playing this game?"


Contracts. Courier contracts. Contracts within contracts. You are allowed to ship stuff on behalf of your corp. You are allowed to put BPO's in a can and put the can in a courier package and then take that courier package and add a couple random junk items and make another courier package with it.

You are also allowed to use blockade runners - cloaking right after jumping and warping away is not just for null.

And finally there is the Orca corporate hangar.

Sorry to hear ebout your loss. We've all been there - more or less. 1 billion is quite a spectacular amount for a single player though. Well done?
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