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There has been only one MMO I PVP'd in
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Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#41 - 2014-05-11 22:44:12 UTC
These threads:
OP:i played wow once
goback2wow
big deal
i played wow but don't now
i played so many gaems but yeh eve is gudder
eve is gud
wow was ok but eve is gudder
i am le experienced gaemer hurf blerf
blerf blerf
FOR RICE CAKES PLEASE INCINERATE THIS THREAD





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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-05-11 22:47:08 UTC
I'm very confused about this post. Do you want to engage in PvP combat or do you want to avoid it? Both are viable options in EvE Online and depending on your desired profession one may make more sense than the other. If you want to fight someone in EvE, go fight them. Look up some cheap and quick training time fits, go get the gear and fly on out to lowsec(where you're more likely to find single opponents, though you run the risk of finding a few guys sitting in Tech 3 cruisers looking for easy prey). If they fail miserably against a roughly equal opponent, tweak them and try again. If they fail miserably against a vastly superior opponent, tweak them and try again. If you don't want to engage in combat... well then I don't know why you made this post.
Cpt Tirel
Institute For Continuous Glory
#43 - 2014-05-11 22:49:47 UTC
Yep WSG was awesome before WoW turned to ****. I still play it sometimes on the Feenix vanilla server, great fun. You can always get good kill stats in WSG by playing with your head rather than having the quickest fingers, like in EVE. Thats what i like about it.
Enraku Reynolt
Of Tears and ISK
ISK.Net
#44 - 2014-05-11 22:53:21 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Not sure what the angle is here.

Have read again.

Twice.

I dont get it.


Maybe it's an explanation why he doesn't like Eve? I'm not sure.


Dunno

But Ill say this

Alterac Valley was best Battleground imho.

*searing pain in implants*

Owwwwwwwwwww. Dammit.


the first version, when it was a two-three day long slugfest with summons, and shredders, and some actualy tactics and plans needed
THAT was fun
Attrael
Umokka Research and Technology Institute
#45 - 2014-05-12 00:47:30 UTC
The topic of this thread is now switched to bewbs. Discuss...
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-05-12 01:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian
I have kind of a weird experience - it's EVE that got me into PvP in general in other games, but I don't PvP much in EVE itself.

What EVE did for me is get me over the adrenalin jag.

As a solo PvE player, I encountered "forced" PvP so many times that after a while, I lost that thing where the adrenalin jag makes you so nervous you can't think or do anything.

I'm still crap at PvP in EVE - but that's because a) I don't play with other people much, and b) I'm not a good enough twitch player to solo PvP, and c) I'm not knowledgeable enough to "pick my fights" properly. Apart from poor twitch skills, these factors are my choice - I could easily remedy them, and might yet do so. But for now it's too much of a commitment, and I'm too old anyway, and my reflexes are shot from too much high livin' :)

However, this experience made playing PvP in other games a piece of ****, so paradoxically, any other game, I'm quite the happy PvP-er, especially since less virtual stuff is at stake and it feels more "gamey game".
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#47 - 2014-05-12 02:01:49 UTC
EVE is the sort of game that for anyone that undocks, PvP is unavoidable and by default participation in PvP. That's just a fact of the game, even if you deal or prepare with avoidance tactics of any sort then you are PvPing. Games like WoW or EQ you can essentially avoid PvP all together, in every way, but not in EVE.

OP you are only speaking of arena PvP, which imo for the most part in MMO's has been fail from conception. Open world PvP is the only real solution to a better community, be it free for all or even with some limitation. At least then when some turkey tries to grief you behind the protection of a non-PvP system, here you can just pod him. Cowards that hide and grief behind the system are the worst of all for any community.

I'm in it for the money

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#48 - 2014-05-12 02:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Caviar Liberta wrote:
But I thought from from all the postings I've read on these forums that "real" PvP only exist in 1 v1 ships shooting each other.


Can you quote all these postings you've read?

For every one you can post, I'll post 10 more that have a different view of what pvp is, possibly even more than 10 per 1.
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-05-12 02:52:41 UTC
EvE is the only game I pvp in, because its the only game with real loss. Where is the since of winning if all you get is some honor points, or merits or whatever? I used to play Uncharted Waters online, I was a pirate there and pvped quite often until I realized the loss is almost non-existent. This is what brought me to eve. Loss has meaning here, once you learn to accept that and use it as a tool to your advantage its a lot more fun to pvp here then anywhere else.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#50 - 2014-05-12 04:14:21 UTC
Matteus Hopkins wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
I like potatos.
Fried, boiled, roasted, sautéed or mashed? Sweet potato is also good.

What are taters precious?

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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#51 - 2014-05-12 08:27:41 UTC
Shell Scott wrote:
I'd think the angle is obvious: if a large chunk of Eve's players aren't PVPing, why not? What can you do to get them to do so?

What was it about Warsong that successfully GOT me to PVP and how can that be applied here?



With regard to ship-on-ship PvP:

In answer to your question, a lot of people just don't want to PvP. They want to be part of a huge sci-fi MMO but are simply not interested in the PvP side of things.

Why should you want to get them to do so? Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!

Forcing people to PvP when they don't want to is not a good game model. People will leave. It takes the wide diverse range of players to make Eve the universe it is. Becoming all PvP will not make the game better.


Why join Eve then, its a PvP game:

Well I for one enjoy the fact that PvP is a threat. It means that I have to be aware that there is more than just computer AI out there, (which we all know can be anticipated and ways to avoid it will be found). This makes my gametime more interesting and unpredictable, which is why i like Eve so much.

Anyway, just wanted to say my piece.

Fly Safe!

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#52 - 2014-05-12 11:17:06 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:

Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!


In B4;
All of which involve a type of PvP other than pew or encourage you to be pewed

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#53 - 2014-05-12 11:24:12 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:

Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!


In B4;
All of which involve a type of PvP other than pew or encourage you to be pewed


Yeah, I'm fully aware of that. however I believe the OP is talking about Player Ship verses Player Ship PvP. Which is what I was addressing.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#54 - 2014-05-12 11:26:33 UTC
You're welcome Ramona Cool

Jint Hikaru wrote:

Why should you want to get them to do so? Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!


Every ship I build is puts downward pressure on the value of that ship.
Every unit of a mineral I use in building that ship puts upward pressure on that mineral.

Every piece of mission trash I pick up puts downward pressure on its value

Every exploration site I find is one that you cannot.

Every rock I mine is one that you cannot.



One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#55 - 2014-05-12 11:29:31 UTC
Shell Scott wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Shell Scott wrote:
Now that's a good idea. I'm a nub so I'll take my nub cormorant a couple systems over into lowsec. If only there were a way to predict what would happen to me?


How would it be different from being owned going into WSG because you don't know what's going on yet?



Because in WSG all players were around my level, all had similar gear, and no player vastly outclassed or out geared anyone else. You had a chance. I feel if I stick my head into lowsec or 0.0, I will have no chance.

Join RvB.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#56 - 2014-05-12 11:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:

Eve is not just about PvP, there is industry, missions, exploring, mining, so many other things that people join Eve to do other than player on player pew pew!


In B4;
All of which involve a type of PvP other than pew or encourage you to be pewed


Yeah, I'm fully aware of that. however I believe the OP is talking about Player Ship verses Player Ship PvP. Which is what I was addressing.


And is not the most common form of PvP

As my good and dear friend Velicitia has pointed out

Welcome to The Market

Its more vicious than an entire Mission Room of Dramiels

BUT

Please try to explore without people trying to PvP you

Id love to hear about that.

Or to mine.

Or run missions, story arcs, incursions etc

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#57 - 2014-05-12 11:34:09 UTC
Strange, I am an absolute carebear in other MMOs, Eve is the only MMO I have really bothered to pvp in

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Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-05-12 11:40:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Riyria Twinpeaks
Jint Hikaru wrote:
[...]


Why join Eve then, its a PvP game:

Well I for one enjoy the fact that PvP is a threat. It means that I have to be aware that there is more than just computer AI out there, (which we all know can be anticipated and ways to avoid it will be found). This makes my gametime more interesting and unpredictable, which is why i like Eve so much.

Anyway, just wanted to say my piece.

Fly Safe!



Being aware and avoiding getting killed by players means you are already PvP'ing :)
But you are right, nobody should force or attempt to force others to take a more active part in PvP. It's a perfectly valid playstyle not to do so.

But it's also perfectly valid to bring PvP to those people, to hunt them and trying to destroy their ships and pods. So they better be aware of that.

And this combination makes for a more exciting environment for everyone, imo.

I'm actually sort of the opposite of the OP .. I've never liked PvP in other games. Not a lot, at least.
I'm a person who chooses PvE servers over PvP servers in games like WoW or TERA.
I don't enjoy ganking/open world pvp in those kinda games, and I only moderately enjoy battlegrounds.

But in Eve I enjoy the battles, the planning, the running away, the ganking.. the being ganked/destroyed less, but that danger makes all the other stuff more interesting.
I don't know why, maybe because pvp seems more meaningful here.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#59 - 2014-05-12 11:50:25 UTC
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
[...]


Why join Eve then, its a PvP game:

Well I for one enjoy the fact that PvP is a threat. It means that I have to be aware that there is more than just computer AI out there, (which we all know can be anticipated and ways to avoid it will be found). This makes my gametime more interesting and unpredictable, which is why i like Eve so much.

Anyway, just wanted to say my piece.

Fly Safe!



Being aware and avoiding getting killed by players means you are already PvP'ing :)
But you are right, nobody should force or attempt to force others to take a more active part in PvP. It's a perfectly valid playstyle not to do so.


Except that by actively avoiding getting shot, you're PVP-ing. You're pitting your skills and attention to detail against theirs.

I think the problem is that most people take PvP to mean "killing someone else", and completely ignore the fact that it is simply "player vs. player" interaction.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#60 - 2014-05-12 11:52:06 UTC
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:

Being aware and avoiding getting killed by players means you are already PvP'ing :)
But you are right, nobody should force or attempt to force others to take a more active part in PvP. It's a perfectly valid playstyle not to do so.

But it's also perfectly valid to bring PvP to those people, to hunt them and trying to destroy their ships and pods. So they better be aware of that.

And this combination makes for a more exciting environment for everyone, imo.


Couldn't agree more!

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.