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Making corporation internal PVP optional
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Pretty Pony Princess
Princess Club
#1 - 2014-05-10 17:32:46 UTC
Currently joining a player corporation always bears the risk of awoxing and reverse-awoxing, even in otherwise "protected" high security space.

This could scare players, especially new ones, away from joining player corporations or opening their own corporations to the general public.


My suggestion is to allow the CEO to manage this as a corporation wide option and choose between something like "Attacking corp members is NOT allowed and subject to CONCORD intervention and/or loss of security status" and "Attacking corp members is allowed".
Whenever this option is changed all corp members should receive a mail informing them about the change and changes should only become effective after a certain period of time (like an internal war-dec).

As the CEO is free to keep it the old way or just allow PVP for corp-events this would not hinder any corporations activities. It also is likely to make high-sec based corporations more welcoming and encourage players to leave NPC corporations, having a positive effect on player interaction in high security space.


[tl;dr]
Make carebears happy and awoxers sad.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-05-10 18:19:46 UTC
How badly did they **** up your corp?

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Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#3 - 2014-05-10 18:30:19 UTC
I really agree that the CEO should be able to toggle that.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4 - 2014-05-10 18:30:58 UTC
They can't even manage alliance bookmarks, and you think they can do this?

Nevermind the fact that it's asinine in the first place, and your motivation for asking is in question.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#5 - 2014-05-10 18:36:28 UTC
No, for all the reasons it's been no in the past.

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Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
#6 - 2014-05-10 19:22:25 UTC
CCP should forbid asking for personal information (which would include the API keys) AND have option to hide your corporation history.

TLDR: Make carebears cry and awoxers happy.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2014-05-10 19:53:27 UTC
back stabbing is one of the finest parts of EVE. but feel free to background and API check the hell out of anyone who applies to ur corp.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Pretty Pony Princess
Princess Club
#8 - 2014-05-10 20:52:25 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
back stabbing is one of the finest parts of EVE.

That might be true, but at the moment it can easily be avoided by staying in a NPC corp or creating your own one-man corp and keeping your distance from other players most of the time. To me it seems like Eve is encouraging solo play by making this path the safest and easiest.
Forbidding people from attacking crop members will still allow them to do stupid things like putting all assets in the corp hangar or undocking in a 10-bil ship just asking for a suicide gank - same corp or not.

And of course this would not end awoxing, it would just mean there would be more to it than just clicking "apply".
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#9 - 2014-05-10 20:58:46 UTC
being lonely and in an NPC corp has its price for being safe. u could just fly in something thats not a gank magnet, thats also safe and easy.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Pretty Pony Princess
Princess Club
#10 - 2014-05-10 21:07:05 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
being lonely and in an NPC corp has its price for being safe.

That's the point. Eve is a MMO, you should not need to be alone to feel safe-ish.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#11 - 2014-05-10 21:21:40 UTC
facepalm*

are u saying everyone in a multiplayer corp doesnt feel safe? i wonder how multiplayer corps have lasted the entire time EVE has been going then...

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
#12 - 2014-05-10 21:23:51 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
facepalm*

are u saying everyone in a multiplayer corp doesnt feel safe? i wonder how multiplayer corps have lasted the entire time EVE has been going then...

Leave her be. She is either forum alt or someone who disbanded/left corp due to awox. She must feel horrible and thus keep posting thread like this.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#13 - 2014-05-10 21:26:21 UTC
Pretty Pony Princess wrote:
Currently joining a player corporation always bears the risk of awoxing and reverse-awoxing, even in otherwise "protected" high security space.

This could scare players, especially new ones, away from joining player corporations or opening their own corporations to the general public.


My suggestion is to allow the CEO to manage this as a corporation wide option and choose between something like "Attacking corp members is NOT allowed and subject to CONCORD intervention and/or loss of security status" and "Attacking corp members is allowed".
Whenever this option is changed all corp members should receive a mail informing them about the change and changes should only become effective after a certain period of time (like an internal war-dec).

As the CEO is free to keep it the old way or just allow PVP for corp-events this would not hinder any corporations activities. It also is likely to make high-sec based corporations more welcoming and encourage players to leave NPC corporations, having a positive effect on player interaction in high security space.


[tl;dr]
Make carebears happy and awoxers sad.


High sec is not protected space, you still have the absolute freedom to do anything you like, except the consequences are different.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2014-05-10 21:32:10 UTC
Pretty Pony Princess wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
being lonely and in an NPC corp has its price for being safe.

That's the point. Eve is a MMO, you should not need to be alone to feel safe-ish.


It's EVE.

Yes, if you aren't alone or docked, you should feel unsafe.

If you disagree, this is the game you should be playing instead.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Pretty Pony Princess
Princess Club
#15 - 2014-05-10 21:40:11 UTC
It's nice to see so much carebear bashing, but it would be nicer if anyone would actually elaborate on why they think the current system is superior to the proposed alternative. Smile
Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
#16 - 2014-05-10 21:41:51 UTC
Pretty Pony Princess wrote:
It's nice to see so much carebear bashing, but it would be nicer if anyone would actually elaborate on why they think the current system is superior to the proposed alternative. Smile

It's simple. So awoxing could happen. Awoxing is awesome!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#17 - 2014-05-10 21:49:23 UTC
Pretty Pony Princess wrote:
It's nice to see so much carebear bashing, but it would be nicer if anyone would actually elaborate on why they think the current system is superior to the proposed alternative. Smile


You're the one advocating for change, not us. We do not have to defend the status quo.

You, on the other hand, are under the burden to prove your case. Which, notably, you have failed to do.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#18 - 2014-05-10 22:00:53 UTC
Pretty Pony Princess wrote:
It's nice to see so much carebear bashing, but it would be nicer if anyone would actually elaborate on why they think the current system is superior to the proposed alternative. Smile


spying and backstabbing is part of that non-consensual PvP that makes eve beautiful. if u make it consensual, what are the spies and AWOXers going to shoot? how do i betray my CEO when hes being a muppet when i dnt have roles? how do i join a corp that uses bling nightmares for incursions and then blap them for their fat loot?

and before u think that this kind of game play shouldnt exist in eve, yes, yes it damn well should.

note: it is still possible to play together and fleet up without being in a player corp. Just make a common chat channel and call it '[group name] chat' and form fleets from there. it just means u cant share assets as easily.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#19 - 2014-05-10 22:23:46 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
being lonely and in an NPC corp has its price for being safe. u could just fly in something thats not a gank magnet, thats also safe and easy.


Uhm... you know that you just contradicted the entire plan behind the Kronos expansion, right? Roll

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#20 - 2014-05-10 22:42:18 UTC
ull have to spell that out.

Kronos does not force players out of NPC corps, nor does it make flying cheap ships difficult.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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