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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#21 - 2014-05-10 15:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Sibyyl wrote:
I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the *only* source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience".


Still, the tutorials are MUCH better than they used to be... And I mean like, leaps and bounds better.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-05-10 15:52:59 UTC
are sub numbers down? we want to blame the usual scapegoats if they are

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#23 - 2014-05-10 15:55:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
are sub numbers down? we want to blame the usual scapegoats if they are


That has yet to be conclusively shown, but frankly, it's starting to look that way.

As far as scapegoating, we should keep that separate. I suggest a 'GRR Goons' and 'Grrr Carebears' in separate threads to make the mods lives easier.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-05-10 15:57:20 UTC
"it's starting to look that way"

what

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#25 - 2014-05-10 15:57:49 UTC
I shall blame Obama.... Really can't think of anything better.
Dave Stark
#26 - 2014-05-10 15:59:04 UTC
just in case nobody has pointed it out.

starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their **** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that **** probably isn't the best way to start a topic.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#27 - 2014-05-10 16:01:02 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
just in case nobody has pointed it out.

starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their **** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that **** probably isn't the best way to start a topic.


ROFL I didn't bother checking to see who the author was until I saw your post.

So... yeah.
Dave Stark
#28 - 2014-05-10 16:01:45 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
just in case nobody has pointed it out.

starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their **** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that **** probably isn't the best way to start a topic.


ROFL I didn't bother checking to see who the author was until I saw your post.

So... yeah.

always check your sources.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#29 - 2014-05-10 16:04:16 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the *only* source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience".


Still, the tutorials are MUCH better than they used to be... And I mean like, leaps and bounds better.


They are better in regards to explaining things, but I doubt they are doing much to draw more people into continuing to play. The NPE in almost all aspects is as boring as can be, which probably explains why the retention rate is and always has been low.

From a completely speculative standpoint in regards to possible decreased sub numbers. It seems like since Incarna the expansions have been mostly tweaks and minor improvements, which is by all means desperately needed. However this does not draw many older players back to the game mixed with the low retention rate of new players would mean lower overall PCU and sub numbers.

Since like Doc mentioned earlier, PCU usually decline before an expansion, then peak right after(older players checking out new content), then usually level off but at a bit higher rate. Now I haven't looked at the trend for Rubicon but judging by current PCU I don't think it matched that trend. This is also one reason why CCPs new plan of releasing more but smaller expansions concerns me, because I doubt it would drive enough hype and marketing to bring back older players.

Again purely speculative, since I haven't checked numbers yet, nor do I plan to. So I could be off.

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#30 - 2014-05-10 16:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Andski wrote:
"it's starting to look that way"

what



Well, take into account that the average age of the voting account increased at CSM, average concurrency is at it's lowest point since Incarna, the sudden interest in reducing costs that previously CCP seemed fine with, and CCP changed it's usual procedure where it published the number of votes for CSM vs the number of accounts eligible to vote.

This suggests, but does not prove, that numbers are down. Again, we'll have to wait for June's six month financials to prove it one way or the other, but, as the eight ball would say 'all signs point to yes'.


Brooks Puuntai wrote:

Since like Doc mentioned earlier, PCU usually decline before an expansion, then peak right after(older players checking out new content), then usually level off but at a bit higher rate. Now I haven't looked at the trend for Rubicon but judging by current PCU I don't think it matched that trend.


Usually there's a peak in concurrency around fanfest. Last year it peaked at 65k, this year it barely broke 40k,
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2014-05-10 16:16:36 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then ever before?


PCU counts are definitely down on Tranquality (according to eve-offline), we've dipped to 2011 levels, I would expect that count to spike a bit around the next expansion as it usually does, it already appears to be trending back upwards. New eggs also seem to be back to trending upwards. Historically PCU is usually down for the few months leading up to an expansion. The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count.

You could draw the conclusion the low PCU count on Tranq means overall subs have also been down, which could potentially affect voting turnout.

oooorrr you could conclude that Europe has experiencing awesome weather for this time of year and people are spending more time outside?

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Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#32 - 2014-05-10 16:17:39 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Not to mention Eve has a system that actually allows people to play to pay, which can negate the prioritizing income.




Coming to that, the steady rising of prices of plex might have an influence as well. If prices stay like they are now or even rise i am going to unsub one of my accounts next month. I am pretty sure a lot of people are doing that as well, leading to dwindling subscription numbers.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#33 - 2014-05-10 16:29:39 UTC
Higgs Foton wrote:

Coming to that, the steady rising of prices of plex might have an influence as well. If prices stay like they are now or even rise i am going to unsub one of my accounts next month. I am pretty sure a lot of people are doing that as well, leading to dwindling subscription numbers.


I hadn't considered that angle, but you're right, that would play into it as well.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#34 - 2014-05-10 16:32:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then ever before?


PCU counts are definitely down on Tranquality (according to eve-offline), we've dipped to 2011 levels, I would expect that count to spike a bit around the next expansion as it usually does, it already appears to be trending back upwards. New eggs also seem to be back to trending upwards. Historically PCU is usually down for the few months leading up to an expansion. The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count.

You could draw the conclusion the low PCU count on Tranq means overall subs have also been down, which could potentially affect voting turnout.

oooorrr you could conclude that Europe has experiencing awesome weather for this time of year and people are spending more time outside?


Without having the actual sub numbers you can conclude just about anything up to and including aliens.

/or Obama

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2014-05-10 16:36:35 UTC
Sato Page wrote:
http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/eve-online-may-have-experienced-its.html

We would love to know the subscription number of EvE after the CSM9 election. I could see no reason for CCP to withhold this information from its players. I'm sure CCP just over looked this "minor" detail while compiling this year's election report.

So yeah...... CCP, if you could just go ahead and tell us the number..... That would be great.... Thanks.

Edit1: tl;dr: Until CSM8 CCP releases the percentage of player who participated in the election as well as the total number of subscription on TQ. This year, for the first time, CCP only released the participation percentage but not the total number of subscription.

These numbers are not really relevant to game play. Other than to wet your curiosity, what would be the point of knowing them?

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Dave Stark
#36 - 2014-05-10 16:36:38 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Without having the actual sub numbers you can conclude just about anything up to and including aliens.

/or Obama


or the return of noel edmunds house party and mr blobby.
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#37 - 2014-05-10 16:38:21 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then ever before?


PCU counts are definitely down on Tranquality (according to eve-offline), we've dipped to 2011 levels, I would expect that count to spike a bit around the next expansion as it usually does, it already appears to be trending back upwards. New eggs also seem to be back to trending upwards. Historically PCU is usually down for the few months leading up to an expansion. The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count.

You could draw the conclusion the low PCU count on Tranq means overall subs have also been down, which could potentially affect voting turnout.

oooorrr you could conclude that Europe has experiencing awesome weather for this time of year and people are spending more time outside?


Without having the actual sub numbers you can conclude just about anything up to and including aliens.

/or Obama


Dont forget the crab people and the sheeple.

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Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-05-10 16:41:30 UTC
IIshira wrote:

In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years.

The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-05-10 16:43:40 UTC
Rainbow Dash wrote:
IIshira wrote:

In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years.

The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course it has... Obama fixed everything Blink
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#40 - 2014-05-10 16:46:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Doc Fury wrote:
The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count.


Actually, Doc, if you check CCPs financials, they don't. Remember that Serenity is operated by TianCity, not CCP. That's why it's tracked separately. CCP does get income from it, but it's basically a licensing fee.