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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2441 - 2014-05-10 11:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Quote:

I hope you do realize, that it will be projected, one rigor II rig more or one rigor II rig less, and that this ship has already sailed.

EDIT: not even mentioning the vindicator


Show me the vindi with 100km blasters.

Currently, the new rattle will have very good firepower out to just shy of 80km. That is amazingly good and we havent even started on the pain a torp rattle will produce.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2442 - 2014-05-10 11:39:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

I hope you do realize, that it will be projected, one rigor II rig more or one rigor II rig less, and that this ship has already sailed.

EDIT: not even mentioning the vindicator


Show me the vindi with 100km blasters.

Currently, the new rattle will have very good firepower out to just shy of 80km. That is amazingly good.


Show me the warden with blaster tracking.

It is not that complicated to get that to 100.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2443 - 2014-05-10 11:42:31 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

I hope you do realize, that it will be projected, one rigor II rig more or one rigor II rig less, and that this ship has already sailed.

EDIT: not even mentioning the vindicator


Show me the vindi with 100km blasters.

Currently, the new rattle will have very good firepower out to just shy of 80km. That is amazingly good.


Show me the warden with blaster tracking.

It is not that complicated to get that to 100.


You honestly think blasters will go out to 100km on a vindi?

Also tracking isnt much of an issue at longer ranges, especialy in pve given the rat will be burning directly at you.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2444 - 2014-05-10 12:02:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Barton Breau
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

I hope you do realize, that it will be projected, one rigor II rig more or one rigor II rig less, and that this ship has already sailed.

EDIT: not even mentioning the vindicator


Show me the vindi with 100km blasters.

Currently, the new rattle will have very good firepower out to just shy of 80km. That is amazingly good.


Show me the warden with blaster tracking.

It is not that complicated to get that to 100.


You honestly think blasters will go out to 100km on a vindi?

Also tracking isnt much of an issue at longer ranges.


I may have been overzealous with the vindi bashing, but you still can get to a few dps shy of 1200dps with rails and wardens, 70+60 and 86+39 .

EDIT: theoretically :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2445 - 2014-05-10 12:06:40 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

I hope you do realize, that it will be projected, one rigor II rig more or one rigor II rig less, and that this ship has already sailed.

EDIT: not even mentioning the vindicator


Show me the vindi with 100km blasters.

Currently, the new rattle will have very good firepower out to just shy of 80km. That is amazingly good.


Show me the warden with blaster tracking.

It is not that complicated to get that to 100.


You honestly think blasters will go out to 100km on a vindi?

Also tracking isnt much of an issue at longer ranges.


I may have been overzealous with the vindi bashing, but you still can get to a few dps shy of 1200dps with rails and wardens, 70+60 and 86+39 .


You can, but the rattle can spit out more up to 80km.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2446 - 2014-05-10 12:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Barton Breau
baltec1 wrote:


You can, but the rattle can spit out more up to 80km.


Even up to 100, what was the point?

EDIT: you cannot switch to mittani-projection-slide talking points halfway trough the discussion, it confuses people
TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#2447 - 2014-05-10 12:18:40 UTC
Am I seeing this correctly, the Rattle goes from having 7.5 effective Ogres to having 5.5?
I get that it's getting an extra launcher and some missile damage, but it's not getting the PG to handle an extra launcher.

I hope the Rattle gets tweaked a bit more, otherwise the only people going to use them are those that can only pvp by assisting their sentries to someone.

My Condor costs less than that module!
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2448 - 2014-05-10 12:26:44 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
Am I seeing this correctly, the Rattle goes from having 7.5 effective Ogres to having 5.5?
I get that it's getting an extra launcher and some missile damage, but it's not getting the PG to handle an extra launcher.

I hope the Rattle gets tweaked a bit more, otherwise the only people going to use them are those that can only pvp by assisting their sentries to someone.


Brace yourself.

(275% bonus means 100+275%, 7.5 effective)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2449 - 2014-05-10 12:37:53 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


You can, but the rattle can spit out more up to 80km.


Even up to 100, what was the point?

EDIT: you cannot switch to mittani-projection-slide talking points halfway trough the discussion, it confuses people


Giving the rattle the extra utility high would mean it would be able to project its massive firepower to 100km. As it stands only the missiles will reach 100km. That much firepower out to that range is just too much.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2450 - 2014-05-10 12:40:06 UTC
Wouldn't have the CPU to use an extra high anyway.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2451 - 2014-05-10 12:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Barton Breau
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


You can, but the rattle can spit out more up to 80km.


Even up to 100, what was the point?

EDIT: you cannot switch to mittani-projection-slide talking points halfway trough the discussion, it confuses people


Giving the rattle the extra utility high would mean it would be able to project its massive firepower to 100km. As it stands only the missiles will reach 100km. That much firepower out to that range is just too much.


What scenario are we talking about? We do have drone control range rigs, and we can fiddle with cruise applied damage by changing around tps, the extra slot only makes the fitting more easy, does not change much else.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2452 - 2014-05-10 12:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Barton Breau wrote:
TehCloud wrote:
Am I seeing this correctly, the Rattle goes from having 7.5 effective Ogres to having 5.5?
I get that it's getting an extra launcher and some missile damage, but it's not getting the PG to handle an extra launcher.

I hope the Rattle gets tweaked a bit more, otherwise the only people going to use them are those that can only pvp by assisting their sentries to someone.


Brace yourself.

(275% bonus means 100+275%, 7.5 effective)
.
Quite correct, and the ogres will apply damage just as well as current ogres don't
Ogres are a decent choice on bonused ships like the ishtar and sometimes the dominix, but they also do sentries well. unlike the rattlesnake, even with faction drones it applies poorly.gecko excluded.
This ship is unbonused for ogres apart from raw dps which as every ship that has ever been rebalanced discovers,that can use them, the raw dps figures suggest a OMGWTFPAWNMOBILE ship and it gets crippled.
Most never get as far as EFT 101 where one learns that paper DPS does not equal applied DPS.

I still am waiting to see fleets of stratioses using ogres as a doctrine.
Wonder why everyone uses sentries apart from the odd few on killmails? Now that ship needs Gila medium Hero drones.that would be nice for the Rattlesnake too.


Whether it is by using boosted medium drones, fitting more than one gecko, improved bonuses like the ishtar, or some other means,even the original design with application-bonuses, what the rattlesnake needs more than anything else is the ability to apply damage in a manner that enables it to apply whatever drone damage it has across all classes of target in a reasonable and survivable manner. It does not need 8million DPS that are wasted. That is feeding the EFT warriors like feeding chum to a shark.

The dominix and ishtar are the definitive drone boats as they CAN apply that damage.

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TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#2453 - 2014-05-10 12:56:26 UTC
Glad I was wrong on the Drone Damage part. The rattle still lacks the fitting to support a 5th launcher though.
Capinjected Torprattle can't fit a Heavy Neut/Nos in it's Utility high, CPU doesn't even allow for a fifth Launcher.

My Condor costs less than that module!
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2454 - 2014-05-10 13:05:52 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
TehCloud wrote:
Glad I was wrong on the Drone Damage part. The rattle still lacks the fitting to support a 5th launcher though.
Capinjected Torprattle can't fit a Heavy Neut/Nos in it's Utility high, CPU doesn't even allow for a fifth Launcher.

But with the new faction mods ,as well as the deadspace fittings, think of the wonderful killmail.
As those that love it seem to be in gank corporations, they seem very pleased with the offering. Wonder why?Roll


Edit:-
Hint :- (Wait for the suggestions that the new expensive faction fittings will solve the issue)

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2455 - 2014-05-10 13:07:04 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
Glad I was wrong on the Drone Damage part. The rattle still lacks the fitting to support a 5th launcher though.
Capinjected Torprattle can't fit a Heavy Neut/Nos in it's Utility high, CPU doesn't even allow for a fifth Launcher.


CPU and PG are things we can only fiddle with when they land on sisi. We need to wait for now but it likely does need a bit more room to take the extra launcher into account.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2456 - 2014-05-10 13:07:25 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
Glad I was wrong on the Drone Damage part. The rattle still lacks the fitting to support a 5th launcher though.
Capinjected Torprattle can't fit a Heavy Neut/Nos in it's Utility high, CPU doesn't even allow for a fifth Launcher.


Hopefully the faction drone damage augs can scrape a few CPU together, but I do agree it needs some more CPU.

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Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2457 - 2014-05-10 13:42:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Barton Breau
baltec1 wrote:
TehCloud wrote:
Glad I was wrong on the Drone Damage part. The rattle still lacks the fitting to support a 5th launcher though.
Capinjected Torprattle can't fit a Heavy Neut/Nos in it's Utility high, CPU doesn't even allow for a fifth Launcher.


CPU and PG are things we can only fiddle with when they land on sisi. We need to wait for now but it likely does need a bit more room to take the extra launcher into account.



Arent they already written on the first page?

EDIT: are torps even still an option without the velocity bonus?
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2458 - 2014-05-10 13:46:05 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
TehCloud wrote:
Glad I was wrong on the Drone Damage part. The rattle still lacks the fitting to support a 5th launcher though.
Capinjected Torprattle can't fit a Heavy Neut/Nos in it's Utility high, CPU doesn't even allow for a fifth Launcher.


CPU and PG are things we can only fiddle with when they land on sisi. We need to wait for now but it likely does need a bit more room to take the extra launcher into account.



Arent they already written on the first page?

EDIT: are torps even still an option without the velocity bonus?


Why yes they are already on the first page and have been since before we discovered the full meaning of the proposal.
That is just one of the reasons that some want CCP to revisit this ship and spend a little time re-evaluating it.

EDIT: As to torps, well, niche uses possibly, otherwise, not so much.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2459 - 2014-05-10 13:49:34 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
TehCloud wrote:
Glad I was wrong on the Drone Damage part. The rattle still lacks the fitting to support a 5th launcher though.
Capinjected Torprattle can't fit a Heavy Neut/Nos in it's Utility high, CPU doesn't even allow for a fifth Launcher.


CPU and PG are things we can only fiddle with when they land on sisi. We need to wait for now but it likely does need a bit more room to take the extra launcher into account.



Arent they already written on the first page?

EDIT: are torps even still an option without the velocity bonus?


Why yes they are already on the first page and have been since before we discovered the full meaning of the proposal.
That is just one of the reasons that some want CCP to revisit this ship and spend a little time re-evaluating it.

EDIT: As to torps, well, niche uses possibly, otherwise, not so much.


So where is the cpu hog then?
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2460 - 2014-05-10 13:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Barton Breau wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
TehCloud wrote:
Glad I was wrong on the Drone Damage part. The rattle still lacks the fitting to support a 5th launcher though.
Capinjected Torprattle can't fit a Heavy Neut/Nos in it's Utility high, CPU doesn't even allow for a fifth Launcher.


CPU and PG are things we can only fiddle with when they land on sisi. We need to wait for now but it likely does need a bit more room to take the extra launcher into account.



Arent they already written on the first page?

EDIT: are torps even still an option without the velocity bonus?


Why yes they are already on the first page and have been since before we discovered the full meaning of the proposal.
That is just one of the reasons that some want CCP to revisit this ship and spend a little time re-evaluating it.

EDIT: As to torps, well, niche uses possibly, otherwise, not so much.


So where is the cpu hog then?


Not so much an individual "hog" but changes to the number of launchers and it becoming necessary to alter rigs and modules to take account is really not going to have no effect is it?

Possibly CCP Rise might have realised that if he was able to spend more time considering his changes?

But if you fit faction and deadspace, I am sure there will be suitable fits.

No wonder the Gankers are somewhat excited.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE