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Cheap but effective Paladin fit

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Reiisha
#41 - 2014-05-09 15:00:51 UTC
Getting a bit far offtopic here... Faction/deadspace/officer mods are to be avoided if possible. Yes, it's a billion isk hull, but the hull doesn't drop when you're killed :)

T2 rigs are fine for this reason, though i wouldn't go for faction+ mods.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Alexander McKeon
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-05-09 17:18:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander McKeon
chaosgrimm wrote:
Too much:
Cap
Tank

Not enough:
Dmg
Applied dmg
I'd argue that he in fact doesn't have enough capacitor / tank. This setup requires fitting implants and a mind-linked off-grid booster to have sufficient reps, but the damage projection with scorch is sexy. Right around 1K dps with conflag, 3k DPS tank, and can handle 80 GJ/s of neut pressure vs. the ~50 GJ/s of neut pressure typically applied by npcs. Your cap booster will last long enough to kill scramming rats, allowing you to MJD away if it looks like you'll be capped out.

[Paladin, Solo Stuff]

Damage Control II
Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Capacitor Power Relay II

Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Bastion Module I
True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I (Disable hostile scramblers)
True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb (Killing Frigates)

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II


Inherent Implants 'Squire' Engineering EG-604
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Management EM-804
Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-904
Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Large Energy Turret LE-1004

This fitting is about as cheap as I can come up with while still hitting the target tank levels. If you want to do it without an off grid booster, you'll either have to make things shinier, or switch to a shield ship. It's hard to push a Paladin into the 3k tank range necessary and still have enough capacitor to avoid being neuted to death by npcs, and the 2k tank you get without boosts will see you very dead.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2014-05-09 18:04:14 UTC
Alistair McKeon wrote:

[Paladin, Solo Stuff]

Too much :
Tank
Capacitor
Bling

You won't be able to tank those 10+ Tornadoes that will be waiting for you on a gate.

What is the point of tanking 3k DPS ?
What is the point of sustaining those neut when you have a MJD.

Rats don't scramble, they just disrupt.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#44 - 2014-05-09 18:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Odithia wrote:
What is the point of tanking 3k DPS ?


Having a really strong burst tank on your marauder is quite useful. I don't care about sustainability, but being able to mwd directly at the rats, not caring that you're in low shield, then getting into position, hitting bastion, and boosting to full in 3 cycles is pretty nice. Not sure how well that works on an armor marauder though.

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Alexander McKeon
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-05-09 18:58:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander McKeon
Odithia wrote:
You won't be able to tank those 10+ Tornadoes that will be waiting for you on a gate.

What is the point of tanking 3k DPS ?
What is the point of sustaining those neut when you have a MJD.

Rats don't scramble, they just disrupt.

When the npcs do 2.7k dps, there's a very good reason to tank 3k.
NPCs with a 70km neut range & MWDs to close the distance are a reason to sustain neuts.
I've had my MWD shut off, therefore they do in fact scram.

Also, 10 tornadoes vs. 900m in fittings would be a net loss for the gankers on average with 50% drop rate.

It should be noted that this fit is intended to solo any PvE content which can be solo'd; I assumed the worst-case rats that exist and went from there. If you're only doing Hisec level 4s, you won't need quite this much tank, but there is plenty of rather lucrative PvE outside of hisec.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-05-09 20:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Vtra wrote:
[Paladin, Paladin fit]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Bastion Module I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Acolyte II x5

If the gate is 50k away Jump straight up then to the gate and bam you are on it at 0.... lrntoMJD

over 1k dps out of guns with +3 implants. Split into 2 sets of 2 Keep Navy Multis, Navy Gammas and Navy XRay and you are covered up to 100k Optimals, 71k Optimal with Multi's with double Optimal scripts.

Looks nice but 2 Deadspace EANM's but a T2 LAR?
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-05-09 20:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Odithia wrote:
Alistair McKeon wrote:

[Paladin, Solo Stuff]

Too much :
Tank
Capacitor
Bling

You won't be able to tank those 10+ Tornadoes that will be waiting for you on a gate.

What is the point of tanking 3k DPS ?
What is the point of sustaining those neut when you have a MJD.

Rats don't scramble, they just disrupt.

Wait this thing is blinged out and only gets 1k DPS with Conflagration?? I'm not on my PC but I would say it has to get more than that. I get over 1k DPS with a non bling tach setup and it projects it to 70km.

Smartbombs on a mission ship... That's a free killmail for anyone who wants it
Alexander McKeon
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-05-09 23:10:29 UTC
IIshira wrote:
[quote=Odithia]
Wait this thing is blinged out and only gets 1k DPS with Conflagration?? I'm not on my PC but I would say it has to get more than that. I get over 1k DPS with a non bling tach setup and it projects it to 70km.

Smartbombs on a mission ship... That's a free killmail for anyone who wants it
Did you see the bit about the fit being intended to solo any content in the game which could be? Any person who isn't a complete fool will strip the smartbomb when running in hisec. The OP was rather vague on exactly what he wanted to do with the ship, so I provided a fit which, with links, can solo Class 5 wormhole sites, and will therefore be able to handle any lesser pve.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#49 - 2014-05-09 23:42:27 UTC
Alexander McKeon wrote:
Did you see the bit about the fit being intended to solo any content in the game which could be? Any person who isn't a complete fool will strip the smartbomb when running in hisec. The OP was rather vague on exactly what he wanted to do with the ship, so I provided a fit which, with links, can solo Class 5 wormhole sites, and will therefore be able to handle any lesser pve.

Did you ever read the title of the thread?

"Cheap but effective Paladin fit"

I underlined the part you seem to have completely missed out on. Also smartbombs in highsec = concorded. You DO know you get concorded for smartbombing stuff that missions spawn right?
Alexander McKeon
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-05-10 00:00:03 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
Alexander McKeon wrote:
Any person who isn't a complete fool will strip the smartbomb when running in hisec. The OP was rather vague on exactly what he wanted to do with the ship, so I provided a fit which, with links, can solo Class 5 wormhole sites, and will therefore be able to handle any lesser pve.



"Cheap but effective Paladin fit"

I underlined the part you seem to have completely missed out on. Also smartbombs in highsec = concorded. You DO know you get concorded for smartbombing stuff that missions spawn right?

Did you read the post you quoted? I commented that only fools use smartbombs in hisec, then you accuse me of not realizing hisec smartbombs = bad idea? Question

My design goal was to make a ship able to do any solo content, not just hisec level 4s. If you can come up with a cheaper fit which is capable of handling the same range of PvE tasks, I'd love to see it. Is there some secret code that PvE = Level 4 hisec missions which I wasn't aware of?
Vtra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-05-10 03:20:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Vtra
IIshira wrote:
Vtra wrote:
[Paladin, Paladin fit]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Bastion Module I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Acolyte II x5

If the gate is 50k away Jump straight up then to the gate and bam you are on it at 0.... lrntoMJD

over 1k dps out of guns with +3 implants. Split into 2 sets of 2 Keep Navy Multis, Navy Gammas and Navy XRay and you are covered up to 100k Optimals, 71k Optimal with Multi's with double Optimal scripts.

Looks nice but 2 Deadspace EANM's but a T2 LAR?



EANM's are realtivley cheap and the T2 repper NEVER gets turned on lol and if the OP is worried about bling just T2 the crap that is bling and boom done.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#52 - 2014-05-10 13:22:10 UTC
Alexander McKeon wrote:
[quote=Kosetzu]Did you read the post you quoted? I commented that only fools use smartbombs in hisec, then you accuse me of not realizing hisec smartbombs = bad idea? Question

My design goal was to make a ship able to do any solo content, not just hisec level 4s. If you can come up with a cheaper fit which is capable of handling the same range of PvE tasks, I'd love to see it. Is there some secret code that PvE = Level 4 hisec missions which I wasn't aware of?

I misread that yes Oops, bit late to make overzealous statements Roll

Considering just about everyone that wants a ship tailored for higher end PvE than highsec missions generally specify such in their posts I would easily assume that the intended purpose for OP wouldn't be above that. Not seen anyone just say they want a PvE fit and not specify that they want to use it for sanctums or whatnot which requires a different approach.


@OP: It's really all up to you if you prefer Beams or Pulse, neither is really wrong, they both have their pros and cons, so it depends more on what playstyle you prefer than anything else.
Reiisha
#53 - 2014-05-10 18:04:00 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:
Alexander McKeon wrote:
[quote=Kosetzu]Did you read the post you quoted? I commented that only fools use smartbombs in hisec, then you accuse me of not realizing hisec smartbombs = bad idea? Question

My design goal was to make a ship able to do any solo content, not just hisec level 4s. If you can come up with a cheaper fit which is capable of handling the same range of PvE tasks, I'd love to see it. Is there some secret code that PvE = Level 4 hisec missions which I wasn't aware of?

I misread that yes Oops, bit late to make overzealous statements Roll

Considering just about everyone that wants a ship tailored for higher end PvE than highsec missions generally specify such in their posts I would easily assume that the intended purpose for OP wouldn't be above that. Not seen anyone just say they want a PvE fit and not specify that they want to use it for sanctums or whatnot which requires a different approach.


@OP: It's really all up to you if you prefer Beams or Pulse, neither is really wrong, they both have their pros and cons, so it depends more on what playstyle you prefer than anything else.


I'm currently running the fit in the OP, with the a TE in the low slot instead of more tank. Playing around with MJD does seem to make tanking a lot easier, i may sac some cap for TC's soon. Though overall i'm still quite happy, most things (up to bc) die in one hit and i can relax a little bit when running the missions :)

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#54 - 2014-05-10 18:15:04 UTC
Reiisha wrote:

I'm currently running the fit in the OP,

Just bring a mobile depo with you and fit in the fly, you have the cargo space for like 4-5 different fits and a complete rack of crystals while still having useful space left over.
I generally have both types of lasers , heatsinks and enams , tracking computers and sensor boosters, and a lot of other crap to swap out as i see fit.
Natalia Abre-Kai
#55 - 2014-05-11 09:03:17 UTC
Paladin - T2 CHEAP


Lows

1x Large Armor Repairer II
1x Damage Control II
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
2x Heat Sink II
1x True Sansha Heat Sink


Mids

2x Tracking Computer II
1x100MN Afterburner II
1x Heavy Capacitor Booster II


Highs

4x Mega Pulse Laser II
1x Bastion Module I
2x Small Tractor Beam II
1x Salvager II


Rigs

Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Large Energy Locus Coordinator I


Drones

10x Hobgoblin II
5x Salvage Drone I




Not a fit that I use for every mission obviously. I generally carry around a set of scorch, conflag, and faction MF when I use pulse. For beams, I only use faction MF. Also MTU is nice for missions where you can just sit in a spot and micromanage.
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