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Dev Blog: CSM 9 Results!

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#81 - 2014-05-09 17:52:34 UTC
Jayem See wrote:

Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.

you are right

all, i was wrong to suggest you should vote for more than one person. please accept my sincere apologies, and i hope you vote according to your view of strategy next year and not mine

sincerely,
weaselior

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Dave stark
#82 - 2014-05-09 17:52:56 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies


Lol - run out of arguments so will just say I am right.

Good work.

you were right, I was wrong to criticize your voting strategy

please accept my apology and inform everyone else that you were correct


Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.


might want to realise it's a multiplayer game where working together is something to be embraced, not snubbed.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#83 - 2014-05-09 17:54:00 UTC
If those 1736 Provi voters literally had no opinion/the same opinion on anyone else running for the CSM, their votes were fine. Of course, that is total nonsense, and if they were actually thinking about things they would have realized that folks like Ali Aras or perhaps Mike Azariah or someone actually would represent their playstyles better than Xenuria and filled in their ballots.

Of course then said uninformed voters show up in the thread and act all proud about being uninformed, so shine on you crazy diamonds.

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-05-09 17:57:49 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jayem See wrote:

Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.

you are right

all, i was wrong to suggest you should vote for more than one person. please accept my sincere apologies, and i hope you vote according to your view of strategy next year and not mine

sincerely,
weaselior


Not entirely sure how we ended up in an internet crapfest.

I voted for the folks that I cared about. Mynnna was one of them - I didn't vote for your top candidate as bragging isn't my thing.

I didn't feel strongly enough about the other candidates to vote negatively. Sorry. (Am not sorry.)

Aaaaaaand relax.
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate
#85 - 2014-05-09 18:13:32 UTC
Would it be possible to get the breakdown of subscribers by country? I believe that was included in previous dev blogs related to CSM results. It's just interesting to see how the votes were cast based on the total demographic.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#86 - 2014-05-09 18:17:50 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jayem See wrote:

Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.

you are right

all, i was wrong to suggest you should vote for more than one person. please accept my sincere apologies, and i hope you vote according to your view of strategy next year and not mine

sincerely,
weaselior


Not entirely sure how we ended up in an internet crapfest.

I voted for the folks that I cared about. Mynnna was one of them - I didn't vote for your top candidate as bragging isn't my thing.

I didn't feel strongly enough about the other candidates to vote negatively. Sorry. (Am not sorry.)
Totally sounds like you missed the point of everything that was said, but ah well.

The point seems to be that people who chose to vote for a single individual could have used at least some of their other voting slots to vote for people who they wanted after the first, or failing that, opposition to people who they don't want. They was STV work, the votes cascade when full, so if the person you vote in 1st place makes it in, you listing 13 other people won't affect that in the slightest, but what it will mean is that more excess votes will filter down the vote afterwards.

So if you wanted only 1 person and no other people you cared about either way, then voting with just 1 vote is fine. In all other cases there are smarter ways to play your votes. Now nobody is saying that you personally can't vote however you want. You can wipe your ass with the ballot for all I care, but as a group, there were smarter ways for it to be played.

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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#87 - 2014-05-09 18:24:25 UTC
I should've campaigned harder :P

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-05-09 18:30:35 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jayem See wrote:

Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.

you are right

all, i was wrong to suggest you should vote for more than one person. please accept my sincere apologies, and i hope you vote according to your view of strategy next year and not mine

sincerely,
weaselior


Not entirely sure how we ended up in an internet crapfest.

I voted for the folks that I cared about. Mynnna was one of them - I didn't vote for your top candidate as bragging isn't my thing.

I didn't feel strongly enough about the other candidates to vote negatively. Sorry. (Am not sorry.)
Totally sounds like you missed the point of everything that was said, but ah well.

The point seems to be that people who chose to vote for a single individual could have used at least some of their other voting slots to vote for people who they wanted after the first, or failing that, opposition to people who they don't want. They was STV work, the votes cascade when full, so if the person you vote in 1st place makes it in, you listing 13 other people won't affect that in the slightest, but what it will mean is that more excess votes will filter down the vote afterwards.

So if you wanted only 1 person and no other people you cared about either way, then voting with just 1 vote is fine. In all other cases there are smarter ways to play your votes. Now nobody is saying that you personally can't vote however you want. You can wipe your ass with the ballot for all I care, but as a group, there were smarter ways for it to be played.


You are cute when you are angry.

I seem to be missing something from Weasel - he refuses to tell me what it is yet.

I DID vote how I wanted - as stated many posts ago. The not using my last 6 votes was a comment in itself. FFS - why is it so hard to realise that voting in an STV system (when not in a bloc) can work out both ways?

Aaaaaaand relax.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#89 - 2014-05-09 18:41:39 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
You are cute when you are angry.

I seem to be missing something from Weasel - he refuses to tell me what it is yet.

I DID vote how I wanted - as stated many posts ago. The not using my last 6 votes was a comment in itself. FFS - why is it so hard to realise that voting in an STV system (when not in a bloc) can work out both ways?
Yup, I'm super mad. Grrrr, and all that.

And it's great that you voted how you wanted. When you are suddenly representative of everybody, let me know. the point is there are a lot of people who vote by saying "I want that one person", then don;t finish their ballots. They don't realise they can use the rest of their votes without affecting their first vote, possibly even thinking a sole vote has more weight than a full ballot. Realistically people can vote not only for people but against others. Exhausting your vote is not a way to do that, it's a way of you pulling out completely, leaving the rest of the vote up to the full ballot bloc voters, so thanks for that I suppose.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#90 - 2014-05-09 18:49:41 UTC
I'd hope Ireland isnt being classed as part of the United Kingdom.

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-05-09 18:49:57 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
You are cute when you are angry.

I seem to be missing something from Weasel - he refuses to tell me what it is yet.

I DID vote how I wanted - as stated many posts ago. The not using my last 6 votes was a comment in itself. FFS - why is it so hard to realise that voting in an STV system (when not in a bloc) can work out both ways?
Yup, I'm super mad. Grrrr, and all that.

And it's great that you voted how you wanted. When you are suddenly representative of everybody, let me know. the point is there are a lot of people who vote by saying "I want that one person", then don;t finish their ballots. They don't realise they can use the rest of their votes without affecting their first vote, possibly even thinking a sole vote has more weight than a full ballot. Realistically people can vote not only for people but against others. Exhausting your vote is not a way to do that, it's a way of you pulling out completely, leaving the rest of the vote up to the full ballot bloc voters, so thanks for that I suppose.


I would hope that the bloc vote for Core, knew what that meant. To deride it as stupid is just ridiculous.

Even if they missed out on the opportunity to vote for a bunch of folks they never heard of, why would they?

I took my time and voted on knowledge, profile and communication skills. I took one very clear non-vote on the way one candidate communicated.

As usual with you Lucas, I am not sure what you are arguing for. Speaking of which...

Aaaaaaand relax.
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#92 - 2014-05-09 18:55:17 UTC
Thank you CCP Leeloo for posting this dev blog relatively quickly, after we heard CCP Dolan is leaving CCPgames Shocked

Eligible voters have cast 31,294 votes for the CSM9, for CSM8 this number was 49,702 votes cast by eligible voters, and for CSM7 that was 59,109 votes cast by eligible voters.

I would very much like to see CCPgames show us the Voter Demographics and Turnout by countries again, because the votes cast are significant lower than previous years, and I would like the opportunity again to see what the numbers are for this downward spiraling trend.

Because the number of Votes, the % of votes, the voters as % of subscribers and the % of subscribers metrics are obviously missing from dev blog, we can not take CCPgames conclusion at face value that voter turn out is at it's lowest due to lack of awareness of the CSM within the New Eden community and probable it's election process.

Quote:
We feel that this is due to a lack of awareness about the CSM’s form and function within the community, and we will be working actively with CSM9 to reach a broader audience over the coming term.


The former CSM8 representatives have stated in gaming media, blog sites, podcasts and interviews at fanfest, that this was not only the most hard working CSM to date, but also that the total number of representatives that contributed was the highest.

Does CCPgames imply that no matter how much work the CSM does and / or how many CSM members are active for an entire year (sorry CSM9 you will only have 47 weeks) including their own exposure in gaming media, blog sites, podcasts and interviews and constituency , that this is not enough to raise "awareness" within the broader eve online community ?

Regards, a Freelancer

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Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
#93 - 2014-05-09 19:01:59 UTC
Perhaps the Broader Community to raise a(ny) awareness of the CSM is shrinking ? Cool

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All Hail Boobies
#94 - 2014-05-09 19:04:23 UTC
Your perception of "lack of awareness" is misconstrued as actually people not really giving a flying fudge about the CSM. You should poll your subscribers to get the real answer. I'm sure a great majority just don't feel the importance to vote for the CSM any more, probably because it really doesn't represent a great deal of the playerbase. CSM are politicians, internet spaceship politicians mind you, but still politicians... and what politician isn't out to put themselves number 1 and actually care about the state of whatever they are representing?
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#95 - 2014-05-09 19:07:30 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:

Eligible voters have cast 31,294 votes for the CSM9, for CSM8 this number was 49,702 votes cast by eligible voters, and for CSM7 that was 59,109 votes cast by eligible voters.



Seems like the logical conclusion is that CSM 7 was the best CSM, and everything since then has been downhill. Hmm, which CSM was the last one I was on again? Lol

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#96 - 2014-05-09 19:09:26 UTC
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:
Perhaps the Broader Community to raise a(ny) awareness of the CSM is shrinking ? Cool


Not sure the broader comuunity has a(ny) idea about this.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#97 - 2014-05-09 19:11:41 UTC
Two step wrote:
Seems like the logical conclusion is that CSM 7 was the best CSM, and everything since then has been downhill. Hmm, which CSM was the last one I was on again? Lol


As a small part of the community, I am aware you raised a lot of awareness for CCPgames to "fix" pos Cool

We can kid all we want Two Step, but the question I raise is sadly a legitimate one.

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

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http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-05-09 19:15:30 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:
Two step wrote:
Seems like the logical conclusion is that CSM 7 was the best CSM, and everything since then has been downhill. Hmm, which CSM was the last one I was on again? Lol


As a small part of the community, I am aware you raised a lot of awareness for CCPgames to "fix" pos Cool

We can kid all we want Two Step, but the question I raise is sadly a legitimate one.

Issues that have possibly been addressed by Seagull.

It's going to take years. Several of them. There are things that have to be done first. Patience young Padawan.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#99 - 2014-05-09 19:20:25 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:
Thank you CCP Leeloo for posting this dev blog relatively quickly, after we heard CCP Dolan is leaving CCPgames Shocked

Eligible voters have cast 31,294 votes for the CSM9, for CSM8 this number was 49,702 votes cast by eligible voters, and for CSM7 that was 59,109 votes cast by eligible voters.

I would very much like to see CCPgames show us the Voter Demographics and Turnout by countries again, because the votes cast are significant lower than previous years, and I would like the opportunity again to see what the numbers are for this downward spiraling trend.

Because the number of Votes, the % of votes, the voters as % of subscribers and the % of subscribers metrics are obviously missing from dev blog, we can not take CCPgames conclusion at face value that voter turn out is at it's lowest due to lack of awareness of the CSM within the New Eden community and probable it's election process.

Quote:
We feel that this is due to a lack of awareness about the CSM’s form and function within the community, and we will be working actively with CSM9 to reach a broader audience over the coming term.


The former CSM8 representatives have stated in gaming media, blog sites, podcasts and interviews at fanfest, that this was not only the most hard working CSM to date, but also that the total number of representatives that contributed was the highest.

Does CCPgames imply that no matter how much work the CSM does and / or how many CSM members are active for an entire year (sorry CSM9 you will only have 47 weeks) including their own exposure in gaming media, blog sites, podcasts and interviews and constituency , that this is not enough to raise "awareness" within the broader eve online community ?

Regards, a Freelancer



If we have hit some watershed, where the subscription base is dropping, after supposedly 10 years of consecutive growth, there is zero chance that CCP will publish that number.

One poster in Noizy Gamer's blog suggest that CCP has given up on new subscribers. I can't believe that, but it is clear that they are gambling on the idea that handing the cartels even more economic control of the game is their only way to save the game. This is, of course, madness.

If one looks at what has changed in the game the last 12-18 months, one would see that null sec has consolidated and stagnated into an impenetrable mass for new players (sorry Hero, being gifted a bunch of systems is not the same as hacking out a bunch), and the high sec casual gaming experience has suffered body blows.

But naturally, it is the fault of the high sec casual gamer for not wanting to continue to play in such a toxic environment and HTFU, as opposed to those that who actually designed the changes that have created the current set of conditions in null sec and high sec.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#100 - 2014-05-09 19:22:08 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Even if they missed out on the opportunity to vote for a bunch of folks they never heard of, why would they?
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Jayem See wrote:
I took my time and voted on knowledge, profile and communication skills. I took one very clear non-vote on the way one candidate communicated.

As usual with you Lucas, I am not sure what you are arguing for. Speaking of which...
Good for you, again though I'll have to ask you to come back when you represent everyone. A lot of people complain that the CFC bloc vote gets in, yet those same people didn't fill in their ballots, so it's no wonder our votes trickled down through our list ensuring we get a good fill. Choosing not to fill a ballot is a completely valid and fair method, but it runs the risk of exactly what happened, which is that votes drop out of the system giving more weight to the votes of those who filled ballots completely.

And as for the arguing, a passing comment got turned into an issue because you seem to have taking it as an attack on your method of voting.

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