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Solution against Cloacky afk players

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Matthias Kovac
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#1 - 2014-05-09 09:10:57 UTC
Hello fellow pilots!

As we all know, in the universe of the game, there are a lot of people who doesn't do anything but to run 10-15 or more alts, train them to drive a stealth bomber, and go to several hostile systems to sit there in afk and ruin the players game there. Most of the time these players alts are payed by they alliances with plex, so CCP don't gain money from it, but the players who buy ETC or subscribe for real money, these cloacky afk players ruin their games and desides to leave EVE-online.

My suggestion is to create a new item in the game. A special probe type that can scann cloacked ships. In my opinion that would solve this and only this problem, because scanning require some time, so in PVP operations where cloacky ships are in the move or stay put only a short period of time, it only be usefull againts people who sit in systems half or all days, weeks or months in a system in afk. Please consider this idea, and inform me of your opinion of it.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-05-09 09:16:13 UTC
"Solution against Cloacky afk players"

Ignore them.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#3 - 2014-05-09 09:20:16 UTC
INB4TL

Reported as a reopened, redundant thread.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-05-09 09:22:16 UTC
Oh hey look, havent seen one of these in a few hours....
Matthias Kovac
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#5 - 2014-05-09 09:25:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Kovac
Ralph King-Griffin: That's not a solution neighter a constructive suggetion.
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#6 - 2014-05-09 09:25:39 UTC
There is no "problem" with cloaky afk players.
First, if they're AFK they can in no way pose a threat. Unless they're botting, which is against the EULA and you should report them it is impossible for AFK players to interact or harass you. AFK players cant perform actions.
Seconds, if they're cloaked they cannot activate any actions. It is impossible to activate any kind of module while cloaked. Thus, if someone is cloaked they pose no threat to your disgusting AFK ratting.

Please explain how a cloaked and afk player can perform actions against your character and submit a bug report.

I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack.

Matthias Kovac
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#7 - 2014-05-09 09:38:21 UTC
[quote=Electrique Wizard]There is no "problem" with cloaky afk players.
First, if they're AFK they can in no way pose a threat. Unless they're botting, which is against the EULA and you should report them it is impossible for AFK players to interact or harass you. AFK players cant perform actions.
Seconds, if they're cloaked they cannot activate any actions. It is impossible to activate any kind of module while cloaked. Thus, if someone is cloaked they pose no threat to your disgusting AFK ratting.

Please explain how a cloaked and afk player can perform actions against your character and submit a bug report.[/quot


The fact that you whrite is true. The threat that a cloacked ship mean, and what possible harm it could do to non combat players, thats is the problem. We dont know if a cloacky is afk or not, but the threat is there, so any activitie are imposible with cloacky players in the systems
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#8 - 2014-05-09 09:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Matthias Kovac wrote:
Electrique Wizard wrote:
There is no "problem" with cloaky afk players.
First, if they're AFK they can in no way pose a threat. Unless they're botting, which is against the EULA and you should report them it is impossible for AFK players to interact or harass you. AFK players cant perform actions.
Seconds, if they're cloaked they cannot activate any actions. It is impossible to activate any kind of module while cloaked. Thus, if someone is cloaked they pose no threat to your disgusting AFK ratting.

Please explain how a cloaked and afk player can perform actions against your character and submit a bug report.



The fact that you whrite is true. The threat that a cloacked ship mean, and what possible harm it could do to non combat players, thats is the problem. We dont know if a cloacky is afk or not, but the threat is there, so any activitie are imposible with cloacky players in the systems


What utter BS. Fit for the environment\situation.

Also requesting a lock. OP please learn to read and use search.
Lady Aesir
Ghost Recon Inc
#9 - 2014-05-09 09:48:10 UTC
Instead of everyone ranting why not try to give a real soultion to the individuals issues.

  1. AFK Cloaking is not the problem you never know if the player is AFK
  2. Cloaking is the central issue.
ArrowAt present there is no counter to cloaking, whether player is AFK or not

Solution

AFK Cloaking = None its not an issue
Cloaking (in general) = module be it ship fitting or deployable that over time has a chance to disrupt the cloak of another vessel.
Cloaking module itself = add a capacitor requirement to it that prevents a ship recharging its cap and drains it also at a slow rate while active.

Rants may now recommence Attention
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#10 - 2014-05-09 09:57:23 UTC
Lady Aesir wrote:
Instead of everyone ranting why not try to give a real soultion to the individuals issues.

  1. AFK Cloaking is not the problem you never know if the player is AFK
  2. Cloaking is the central issue.
ArrowAt present there is no counter to cloaking, whether player is AFK or not

Solution

AFK Cloaking = None its not an issue
Cloaking (in general) = module be it ship fitting or deployable that over time has a chance to disrupt the cloak of another vessel.
Cloaking module itself = add a capacitor requirement to it that prevents a ship recharging its cap and drains it also at a slow rate while active.

Rants may now recommence Attention


Problem: OP can't use search.

Solution: Rant at them until they can find it.

Job done, Op Success. o/\o

This has come up so many times and it's even in the "Common Threads" sticky FFS. It's not rocket but internet spaceships are serious business Roll
Tragot Gomndor
Three Sword Inc
#11 - 2014-05-09 10:06:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tragot Gomndor
Delete local in nullsec is the best solution. Making nullsec more fun and not just a saver highsec without concord.

Oh and btw, welcome to Anti-Cloaking-Thread number 395482395823580. Big smile

NONONONONONO TO CAPS IN HIGHSEC NO

Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#12 - 2014-05-09 10:42:55 UTC
Its all in your head. They are not really there.

And if you are worried about them, maybe you should not be doing those naughty things you have been doing. Blink

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.

Matthew97
#13 - 2014-05-09 10:46:05 UTC
Matthias Kovac wrote:
Most of the time these players alts are payed by they alliances with plex, so CCP don't gain money from it,


Incorrect. Someone had to originally buy the PLEX that they consumed, hence CCP have already had the money for that month's sub.
DeadDuck
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2014-05-09 10:52:19 UTC
TBH the best way to solve the cloacking problem is just put the device consumming some kind of "fuel" let's say nanite, or some isotope, if you run out of fuel the device will no longer be able to be activated.

Tons of "problems" solved including the supposed afk cloackers.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#15 - 2014-05-09 11:00:56 UTC
Matthias Kovac wrote:
Most of the time these players alts are payed by they alliances with plex, so CCP don't gain money from it,
How does money work?
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#16 - 2014-05-09 11:01:21 UTC
Matthias Kovac wrote:
The fact that you whrite is true. The threat that a cloacked ship mean, and what possible harm it could do to non combat players, thats is the problem. We dont know if a cloacky is afk or not, but the threat is there, so any activitie are imposible with cloacky players in the systems

"Nullsec should be safer than highsec and only cloaky campers are preventing it from being that way"

Cloaky campers are the only way to counter local intelligence.

Deal with it like we have to deal with your escaping anomaly runners.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-05-09 11:05:27 UTC
Matthias Kovac wrote:



The fact that you whrite is true. The threat that a cloacked ship mean, and what possible harm it could do to non combat players, thats is the problem. We dont know if a cloacky is afk or not, but the threat is there, so any activitie are imposible with cloacky players in the systems


I cloaky camp some nearby Russians. They dock up /log off /move system.
In revenge they cloaky camp our base.
we run sigs/ anoms/collect PI as normal and ignore them.
people who can't do PVE with hostiles in local shouldn't be living in null.

In fact the other day one of them probed down a plex i was running and warped their cov ops onto grid with my tengu.
they were out of range and cloaked up.
i warped out and then warped back into my plex. I refired on the final station thus doing 6k EM damage to everything on grid.
then i looted the sisters expanded probe launcher from his wreck. It was a better drop than the dread gurista droped.
This was 2 jumps from his alliance home system in space owned by his alliance.
I tell this story so you realise that cloaky campers are a problem that any null group should be able to deal with easily.
HTFU.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Titan Andronicus
Rookie Mission Tax Haven
#18 - 2014-05-09 11:09:06 UTC
Hmm...so:

1. AFK ratting
2. AFK mining

These are a problem because you are not 'playing' the game.

3. AFK while cloaked
4. AFK in station

These are a problem because your war target or known pirate is in your system and showing in local chat, and you're nervous about leaving the station.

Maybe the 'solution' is to identify AFK players, for example grey out their name in local chat if there has been no keyboard stroke or mouse client in the game in the last 5-15 minutes. This should stop AFK mining because gankers will then zero on you and kill your pod for your foolishness.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#19 - 2014-05-09 11:15:39 UTC
Matthias Kovac wrote:
Hello fellow pilots!

As we all know, in the universe of the game, there are a lot of people who doesn't do anything but to run 10-15 or more alts, train them to drive a stealth bomber, and go to several hostile systems to sit there in afk and ruin the players game there. Most of the time these players alts are payed by they alliances with plex, so CCP don't gain money from it, but the players who buy ETC or subscribe for real money, these cloacky afk players ruin their games and desides to leave EVE-online.

My suggestion is to create a new item in the game. A special probe type that can scann cloacked ships. In my opinion that would solve this and only this problem, because scanning require some time, so in PVP operations where cloacky ships are in the move or stay put only a short period of time, it only be usefull againts people who sit in systems half or all days, weeks or months in a system in afk. Please consider this idea, and inform me of your opinion of it.



right this is YET ANOTHER!! cloak afk thread and deserves all the crap and trolling anyone puts here because you're too lazy to post in another of the other dozen threads exactly the same. Here is the thing i'm not going to be a troll or give you crap about being too lazy to post in the other threads I am going to ask you a few simple questions which should have a simple answers.

How do afk people in any way affect another persons game play?
Since your alliance is NRDS* if they're alts and you don't know who owns the for sure how come you've set them red?
If they're afk alts and they're not set red they shouldn't be a problem so how are they ruining peoples game?

* the term NRDS should not be applied to cva in my opion since they have basically set all of eve red
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#20 - 2014-05-09 11:20:52 UTC
Titan Andronicus wrote:

Maybe the 'solution' is to identify AFK players, for example grey out their name in local chat if there has been no keyboard stroke or mouse client in the game in the last 5-15 minutes. This should stop AFK mining because gankers will then zero on you and kill your pod for your foolishness.


Actually, not a bad idea. Far better than the "lets make cloaking ships use fuel" ideas.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.

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