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Ore is being harvested 50% faster than tears

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Josef Djugashvilis
#221 - 2014-05-08 17:58:58 UTC
Look folks, CCP have set a series of game targets for all the community to reach.

I think it is a really good idea, who cares which bit is being completed the fastest or the slowest, so long as we as a gaming community reach them?

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Miichael Epic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2014-05-08 17:59:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Miichael Epic wrote:


but legit, what do the stats even get them? I have ALL KILLS. I've been killed 10-12 times so far, what do "muh stats" get me? I really want some tacos....


As you can see from muh own stats, I dont give a hoot for stats

Though certain WTs who spam my local from time to time seem to be under the impression I feel otherwise

(The fact theirs is Nullblobs and solo miner kills is apparently a badge of honour for em, *shrug*)


That's like a group of guys having a no deodorant competition for a week and then standing around going on about who's armpits smell the worst....
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#223 - 2014-05-08 18:03:11 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


and now explain how those arbitrary values are in any way balanced or equal.

without them, one group reaching an arbitrary and irrelevant amount before another has 0 meaning and isn't evidence.


One would imagine it's based on an average amount per hour. However, like subscription numbers, CCP has not released these.

I think though the point being that not only have carebears pulled other and mined more, but every single other group has also gotten their shite together and done more.

Thus far, anyway.
Dave Stark
#224 - 2014-05-08 18:04:36 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


and now explain how those arbitrary values are in any way balanced or equal.

without them, one group reaching an arbitrary and irrelevant amount before another has 0 meaning and isn't evidence.


One would imagine it's based on an average amount per hour. However, like subscription numbers, CCP has not released these.

I think though the point being that not only have carebears pulled other and mined more, but every single other group has also gotten their shite together and done more.

Thus far, anyway.


"one would imagine" is not evidence, it's assumption.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#225 - 2014-05-08 18:05:16 UTC
Erufen Rito wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:


I'm sorry, I was unaware that opening a new tab and typing the website out was too much to ask for. (I'm not sorry though)


Ok well then I just have to accept that you don't actually want to add anything civil to the conversation.

Thank you for your input.

But I did, you decided not to look at it because it was not in a format that would enable you to click and get results.


I knew exactly what you were getting at and in regards to your point, I agreed

Where in my reply to your post do I say otherwise?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#226 - 2014-05-08 18:08:08 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:


I'm sorry, I was unaware that opening a new tab and typing the website out was too much to ask for. (I'm not sorry though)


Ok well then I just have to accept that you don't actually want to add anything civil to the conversation.

Thank you for your input.

But I did, you decided not to look at it because it was not in a format that would enable you to click and get results.


I knew exactly what you were getting at and in regards to your point, I agreed

Where in my reply to your post do I say otherwise?
Bolded, thanks.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Serene Repose
#227 - 2014-05-08 18:20:58 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
yea. I have noticed the same: miners work better than 'real players' Shocked
1. miners
2. manufacturers/researchers/etc...
3. carebears (mission runners)
4. 'gankers' - ego-oriented group


Fixed your list for you. No thanks needed. Cool

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#228 - 2014-05-08 18:27:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Erufen Rito wrote:
Bolded, thanks.


That wasnt my reply to your post.

Infact, that was posted quite some time after I responded.

And it doesn't even make sense to say that what you bolded is me disagreeing with your original point.

Please find what you are looking for below;

Ramona McCandless wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:
If you guys wanted a clear indication of what makes eve tick, I'd say miners do. Carebear miners at that.


If you mean the mechanics of the EvE economy, Id say that partially accurate

If you mean what makes players want to log in, Id have to say it cant be the act of mining itself

Youd have to define "carebear" more fully though

It used to mean pure industrial

It seems to mean more the type of player who would like the game to be changed so they need to do less to feel safe these days

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#229 - 2014-05-08 18:28:43 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
yea. I have noticed the same: miners work better than 'real players' Shocked
1. miners
2. manufacturers/researchers/etc...
3. carebears (mission runners)
4. 'gankers' - ego-oriented group


Fixed your list for you. No thanks needed. Cool

Except that... Hi Tippia! ... the ego group is co.pletely
independent of any gamestyle.

You should know, you're not a ganker.
Cyphel Clearmount
Planet Express Transport
#230 - 2014-05-08 18:30:56 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Look folks, CCP have set a series of game targets for all the community to reach.

I think it is a really good idea, who cares which bit is being completed the fastest or the slowest, so long as we as a gaming community reach them?


Cooperation?! Good will to other players? Community? That's crazy talk. Clearly there's one morally superior way to reach some arbitrary goals. Blink
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#231 - 2014-05-08 18:44:55 UTC
Cyphel Clearmount wrote:
morally superior


I dont know what this means

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Cyphel Clearmount
Planet Express Transport
#232 - 2014-05-08 18:48:25 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Cyphel Clearmount wrote:
morally superior


I dont know what this means


Then its possible that like many EVE players you might be morally bankrupt. Big smile
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#233 - 2014-05-08 18:49:46 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


and now explain how those arbitrary values are in any way balanced or equal.

without them, one group reaching an arbitrary and irrelevant amount before another has 0 meaning and isn't evidence.


One would imagine it's based on an average amount per hour. However, like subscription numbers, CCP has not released these.

I think though the point being that not only have carebears pulled other and mined more, but every single other group has also gotten their shite together and done more.

Thus far, anyway.

You're still assuming that they're meant to be completed at the same rate.
It's possible (and in fact it makes sense) that they made the goals for destruction harder, since that's ultimately what they want more of in this game than anything else.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#234 - 2014-05-08 18:49:58 UTC
I'm curious if OP understands what he's trying to say.

For one, the scales that CCP picked were picked by CCP, not by some crazy science.

Second, when miners see this goal, they can easily go and start mining MORE for the goal. It's hard to make PVP happen in the same way.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#235 - 2014-05-08 18:50:33 UTC
Cyphel Clearmount wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Cyphel Clearmount wrote:
morally superior


I dont know what this means


Then its possible that like many EVE players you might be morally bankrupt. Big smile

It's considerably more possible you don't understand what morals are.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#236 - 2014-05-08 18:53:51 UTC
Cyphel Clearmount wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Cyphel Clearmount wrote:
morally superior


I dont know what this means


Then its possible that like many EVE players you might be morally bankrupt. Big smile


Taking what you say on face value that would suggest then that few have the "morals" you consider so worthwhile.

Moral observance is not objective.

It is highly subjective.

I choose to be good or bad because I have the will to do so

I am not good or bad because I believe I must to fulfil some kind of ethical requirement set by others.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Cyphel Clearmount
Planet Express Transport
#237 - 2014-05-08 18:56:34 UTC
Thanks for the lesson in ethics! Learn something new in EVE every day I tells ya. I keep telling people you kids are sharp here.
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#238 - 2014-05-08 18:59:36 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Cyphel Clearmount wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Cyphel Clearmount wrote:
morally superior


I dont know what this means


Then its possible that like many EVE players you might be morally bankrupt. Big smile


Taking what you say on face value that would suggest then that few have the "morals" you consider so worthwhile.

Moral observance is not objective.

It is highly subjective.

I choose to be good or bad because I have the will to do so

I am not good or bad because I believe I must to fulfil some kind of ethical requirement set by others.

The difference between people who believe they are good
and people who actually are good.


Hypocrites vs Good people.

There are those who need rules, who lack empathy...
... and those who have empathy.

Whoever now thought of the pseudochristians in the US probably understood.
Director Blackflame
Voidspace Solutions
#239 - 2014-05-08 19:03:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


and now explain how those arbitrary values are in any way balanced or equal.

without them, one group reaching an arbitrary and irrelevant amount before another has 0 meaning and isn't evidence.


One would imagine it's based on an average amount per hour. However, like subscription numbers, CCP has not released these.

I think though the point being that not only have carebears pulled other and mined more, but every single other group has also gotten their shite together and done more.

Thus far, anyway.

You're still assuming that they're meant to be completed at the same rate.
It's possible (and in fact it makes sense) that they made the goals for destruction harder, since that's ultimately what they want more of in this game than anything else.


By this logic you would expect bounties to be nearing completion first but theyre in the same boat as isk destroyed.
Dave Stark
#240 - 2014-05-08 19:06:18 UTC
Director Blackflame wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


and now explain how those arbitrary values are in any way balanced or equal.

without them, one group reaching an arbitrary and irrelevant amount before another has 0 meaning and isn't evidence.


One would imagine it's based on an average amount per hour. However, like subscription numbers, CCP has not released these.

I think though the point being that not only have carebears pulled other and mined more, but every single other group has also gotten their shite together and done more.

Thus far, anyway.

You're still assuming that they're meant to be completed at the same rate.
It's possible (and in fact it makes sense) that they made the goals for destruction harder, since that's ultimately what they want more of in this game than anything else.


By this logic you would expect bounties to be nearing completion first but theyre in the same boat as isk destroyed.


you're trying to apply logic to arbitrary numbers some one pulled out of their ass so that we could track it to find out if we get +1 gecko or not.