Wormholes

Hyperbole, compared to this? :D



Anyway, my honest opinion is that the bloobloo reaction is a real indicator of an undesirable situation, which is lack of PVP activity in wormhole space. People feel they need to resort to logoffski and 3rd party tools based on unintended access to data to get pew. Note that the reason for this fix is not pampering cuddlybears, but fixing an oversight in game design, a bug- just like wh jump data, it's simply against the nature or wormhole space which has no gates or CONCORD presence.

Maybe better to discuss other changes, than crying after this clutch, gimmick?

I personally don't give a flying **** whether this bug fix makes farming safer or farmer ganking harder, I'm more concerned of not seeing many, or as it often is these days, any active pilots in our chain. I'd love to meet more gangs, and especially I'd love to have something to fight over. Some new structure in the upcoming new POSes? More varied geography? More interesting PVE to make people more active?

How to get more guys living in w-space?

Keep telling you that, Bear.

Oh, and I already adapted to a lot of bearsparadisebull type of shitz, I don't want another.

I and a good few people ive spoken to in corp and out of corp agree with the removal of NPC/Player kills from the API info for several reasons.

1. CCP says they didnt intend it to be in the api info and they just never removed it for the last few years.

2. This is wormholes, the great unknown, the black void, from some sort of lore point o view, if concord cant see what happens in here, why do we get to see npc/player kills.

3. This will require people to actively have a scout in a wormhole to hunt for targets, which i think is the issue ccp want to address. And thats the way it should be IMO, to see whats happening, wfos running sites, whos online, how many, what ship types, you should be in the wormhole with eyes on pos or dscanning.

Please dont look at this as carebear wants his isk, in fact i dont care about the effects this will have on my isk earning. or the ability to gank people running sites. It just means you are gonna have to work a bit harder to get those kills, and you know what im all for that, the harder the effort to get a gank, the more rewarding itll be when its successful.
And people running sites should have all eyes on all connected whs, and if they dont, well there own fault for getting ganked. But if they do have eyes on all the connecting wormholes, i dont see how this changes anything, because they still get a bit of warning to try run as they hear the gatefire.

Im not gonna comment on the delayed k162 idea, as these are two sepperate issues and well, in everyones opinion i think the delayed k162 idea sucks. But what elite wh pvpers will have to work a bit harder and have someone actively in a system to tell if someones ratting, ya i support it.

The only change this will make to whs, ya some ganks wont happen cos you wont be able to check the wh chain for a rising npc kills, well if you werent in that wormhole you wouldnt of seen it anyway and wouldnt of got the kill so thats a null point.
Some PVE ops will be a bit safer, some PVP ops will have to work a bit harder. but come on guys, its not that hard to find some pew these days is it?


AR.

It doesn't.
I've seen plenty of cap escalation fleets getting ganked because someone rolled into the hole while the caps where in siege.

Hell, you can still even do your logoffski crap if you really want to. You just need competent scouts who can judge if a system is active or not.
On the other hand... from the amount of whining going on I get the impression that a lot of the bigger PvP Corps don't have those, so your statement might be at least partially true until they htfu and learn2scout.

what ever happened to delaying the K16s spawns from the automatic refresh? Fozzie said it was done, and could be implemented in Kronos...havent heard of it since.

To clarify im referring to on the k162 not showing up on discovery, forcing you to probe for new sigs. ( as it should be)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331782&find=unread

Haven't had the sadistic urge to re-read threadnought on K162 delay, but I'm pretty sure Fozzie said it wasn't on the cards for summer if at all. Also happens to be stickied - so not sure how this one could be lost.

+1 on remove kills, not going to change anything for me apart from more scouts to gank.

You don't have to.
There is so much information out there that helps you judge if a system is active or not.

Just as an example: Look at the Corp that lives in the system... how many members, what sort of members, how does the killboard look like, what time zone are they in? Do they have a website, what do they post on the forums? (Yes, main-posting can screw you pretty hard as a small corp)
Look at the system... what does the killboard say about the system itself, how many POS are in the system and more importantly how are they set up? How many anomalies/signatures are in the system and of which type.

There is so much information out there - you just have to piece it all together and suddenly you can get a pretty clear picture of what people are doing or not doing in a system without the need for that 100% accurate zero effort API intel.
Sure, you might miss some farmers who are super sneaky and try to not leave a trail of breadcrumbs behind them, but that's part of the game.

It's kind of sad to see that so many of the big wh PvP corps seem to have lost (or never had) a sense for that part of the game in favor of just getting more and more expensive killmails without having to put in any real effort.


Hopefully this change will finally purge the unworthy from Bob's praised lands.

I'm not entirely sure about that. If CCP had no plans to "fix" or "improve" wormholes, we wouldn't get these random "fixes" or "improvements". I have the small feeling that CCP is preparing something, and they are paving the way for it.

I, for one, welcome the removal of kill info on API. There is no way to obtain said info in game, and it makes sense. It's unknown space.

I am for this change 100%, but not for the farming aspect rather the hunter aspect. Most of you guys don't like this because how easy it makes to farm cap escalation sites correct? Just wondering would you bigger pvp groups / wh entities be happy with this change if there was a significant change to farming/being safe inside a wormhole?

Yes as long as more player interaction (read: PVP) is the result of changes, I am for those changes. The fact is that the removal of the npc kill data is going to do the opposite.

People claim that you should have to scout for your intel, but let me tell you about how sitting in a wormhole for 48 hours, and then scanning a way out (since your static has collapsed) and then flying 50 jumps across the universe is a colossal waste of time and nobody wants to do this. This is not PVP. It's not even PVE. It's a waste of time.

This is why I oppose the change. It simply makes players waste more of there time for other player interaction.