Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What's the use case? Easy noctis ganking?

I live in w-space so I fully understand the challenges once the API data has gone. But to be fair its pretty easy to work out whether a system is occupied or not from eve-kill.net (and aggregation services like wormhole.es and its successor).

If you want to work out the daily ratting times of w-space carebears then I think it's only fair that you (and I) are forced to watch them physically

In my view w-space is far too advantageous to the aggressor. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy having the advantages but I think we have had such an advantage for so long that we have driven most of the carebears back to k-space.

A few years ago you only had to roll a few holes to find a blinged-up solo ratting tengu in an anomaly. These days it can take all night!

I'd rather have more opportunity because of increased players in w-space, at the expense of having to physically observe a system (which I do anyway).

This is not a causal link as you suggest. Nullsec alliances no longer use huge blobs of T3s. Command ships now make better boosting ships than T3s. Tengus are no longer able to run 4/10 DED sites, Tengus are no longer considered the end-game for level 4 missions. The number of uses for T3s has fallen drastically.

When demand falls, what happens to price?

With respect I think there is a hidden premise here.

It is true that nano ribbon prices have dropped.

But it does not necessarily follow that this is because of increased supply.

It is also possible that demand for T3 has dropped.

I am inclined to think it's more a function of slowing demand than increased supply for the following reasons:
- there seem to be no major wars in progress
- HACs are a good deal better than they were
- Interceptors now also ignore bubbles
- astero and stratios provide viable alternatives to T3 scouts.
- there is a T3 revamp coming soon(tm) and many people fear a nerf, which may dampen enthusiasm.

A quick look at the market indicates that there are twice as many buy orders as sell orders. The market does not look particularly oversold.

In additon, my admittedly unreliable "sample of one" empirical observation is that I am seeing fewer care bears in w-sapce when I roll into new systems.

When I do roll into a system that's in use, the appearance of the new sig often goes un-noticed for long enough for us to get a fix on a victim.

I mean I know that the price of an item is dependent on supply/demmand, and that it will fluctuate with time, but this is not a point i'm trying to get across.

What I'm trying to say is "carebearing" in W-Space will become easier, rewards will outmatch the risk and there will be less content to W-space with the NPC api change because it will be harder for entities to find each other's active players. What we need is a deployable device or game changing mechanic to encourage and reward player interaction in W-Space through combat. I think the OP is proposing a way of gathering in game intel about sleeper kills over the last x amount of hours in response to this dev post.

For me W-Space should be dangerous and unknown, but the intel that you can gather should give an indication of active players to be hunted or stalked. Too many times have I scouted wormholes and finding POS's with no-one home. I agree with CcpFoxFour that a 3rd party service should not give one side an unfair advantage, but I also believe something should be done to make up for the "content" that will be removed from W-Space with this change.

TL;DR W-Space needs some lovin'

Why not have this intel from an in game deployable? That's the idea being proposed here. NPC API data is overpowered and not an intended part of the game design. Yet NPC kills are of one many indications used to tell if there is a possibility of PvP. Whether or not there will be someone to gank, or someone to take bait.

In my experience 95% of wormholes I come across with towers aren't occupied by active players (I live in the E-uni's C2 with C3 and high-sec statics). It may take me and fellow scanners up several hours before we meet another active player who is almost always in a POS (majority of W-Space flying around in cloakies doesn't help ).

This is a big misconception. Towers do not equal active player occupancy. Ships left in space in a POS does not equal active players either. NPC kill data suggests activity but does not confirm this. Normally NPC activity = chain worth keeping, in the case of an encounter with another player, at a hole, site, of customs office. Sometimes the NPC kills have come from visitors. In my experience scouting, 90% of the time the C3 statics i've opened do not have signs of active players in them but have towers. I can spend hours looking for other active players but i'm not guaranteed to find any. For me, this is where the problem lies and I would like the introduction of a deployable to tackle this problem.

I don't want it to be easier to gank, rather make it easier to locate the wormholes of other active players. More player interaction will probably lead to more ganking and more fights simultaneously. Let me make this clear though, I don't want easier ganks. I want to locate wormholes that have player activity in so I can scout them out and gather intel locate the player and set up bait/gank/stalk/1v1 them. The change in the API info has highlighted to me that w-space shouldn't have to reply on API data from 3rd party services to find other active players and to generate content.

What I want to discuss is whether or not NPC kill data for wormholes should be collectable information in the client and why this would be a good/bad idea.

Nice to know you guys still have that system, I haven't run into you guys in a long time!

You know guys if you want easy intel on w-space victims all you have to do is agree to co-operate.

At the moment we all use a system like siggy or tripwire and all of our data is partitioned.

However, if we agreed to share some of our data, such as times and location of sitings of ratting etc, then actually you can achieve the same quality or better of data than is supplied by an API.

Why better? Because you can include ship types and numbers, likely willingness to retaliate etc.

This crowdsourcing of intel works very well in the markets, why not in victim identification?

Lots of intel = needs a really, really big probe.


Wrecks already show on dscan.


Yep.

Just to clarify, the debris that is being discussed is left over from sleeper sites/pewpew can be detected after wrecks have been salvaged?