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Ore is being harvested 50% faster than tears

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Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#81 - 2014-05-08 02:33:12 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
We're just going to let the miners hit their targets and then we'll do our part once they've finished.


Let them help us... they when they have dispensed use, destroy them. Lol

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James Nikolas Tesla
Tesla Holdings
#82 - 2014-05-08 03:00:46 UTC
Come and get me you wusses! :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2014-05-08 03:16:30 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
yea. I have noticed the same: miners work better than 'real players' Shocked

1. miners
2. manufacturers/researchers/etc...
3. carebears (mission runners)
4. 'real players' - pvp oriented group

Personally being bad i only added like 300 million to pvp pool yesterday Oops

That's because miners actually work. they aren't out there half heartedly trying to rat.. or destroy something. They are used to setting goals and putting in long hours to meet them.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#84 - 2014-05-08 03:32:10 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I don't particularly have an issue with PI. Or with research, or any of that other stuff. Mostly because they aren't in open space while they do it.


So because you can't see it, it doesn't matter?

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#85 - 2014-05-08 03:37:36 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
pvp doesn't have automation software

wait till the weekend


It's not about automation at all. Here is how the two activities work:

Mining:

  1. Warp to known location where target always exists
  2. Lock the target
  3. Act against the target


PvP:

  1. Look for target
  2. Lock the target
  3. Act against the target


Step 1 is very easy for miners, but tends to be difficult for PvPers. As the population drops (because potential targets are online for only 1-4 hours a day during the week) it's harder to find suitable targets to allow you to proceed to step 2.

On the weekends, people log on for longer. Thus the population is higher, and finding suitable targets is easier.

PvP is a numbers game, just like selling Amway.

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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#86 - 2014-05-08 04:21:27 UTC
PvPers - "weekend warriors"

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2014-05-08 04:32:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
You Gents need to remember.

The people that cause the most so called "tears" who also PVP are the smallest group of people in EVE.

Gankers
PVP
War
Pirating
Awoxing
Scams

We are responsible for 99% of the news coming out of EVE. We are also the Tiniest group of players in EVE. So when the only news about EVE is about that list of items, most people think EVE that is only what EVE is about.

So it makes perfect sense that Mining and Industry is ahead.

I am excluding NULL wars since most of the guys are ratters/builders/miners that only group up for Wars and Fights when commanded.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#88 - 2014-05-08 05:41:32 UTC
I like the way the miners feel it's someone else's responsibility to blow up ships and not their own. 'I'm a miner, not a PvPer' is no excuse for not making an effort.

Oh god.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2014-05-08 06:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Mara Rinn wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
pvp doesn't have automation software

wait till the weekend


It's not about automation at all. Here is how the two activities work:

Mining:

  1. Warp to known location where target always exists
  2. Lock the target
  3. Act against the target


PvP:

  1. Look for target
  2. Lock the target
  3. Act against the target


Step 1 is very easy for miners, but tends to be difficult for PvPers. As the population drops (because potential targets are online for only 1-4 hours a day during the week) it's harder to find suitable targets to allow you to proceed to step 2.

On the weekends, people log on for longer. Thus the population is higher, and finding suitable targets is easier.

it actually depends of pvp kind you do. If we speak about miner suiciding then i don't see big problem in finding targets. Seeing lots of retrievers around.

If we speak about real pvp (like wars or 0.0/low/WH) then yes.... my main problem is finding good target, not killing it.

Riot Girl wrote:
I like the way the miners feel it's someone else's responsibility to blow up ships and not their own. 'I'm a miner, not a PvPer' is no excuse for not making an effort.

trolling aside i'm not sure many pvpers will take responsibility for mining ore and building their own ships
some of them (you can see example right in this thread) even can't understand this thing

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#90 - 2014-05-08 06:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
I would think ore is being mined at a much higher rate than tears.

Most pvpers don't cry when they die. They just take it as part of the game and move on.

It's only the carebears currently claiming victory that tend to shed tears everywhere. The value of the tears outstrips the ISK lost by a long way too.

It's almost reasonable to conclude that even a single carebear tear is worth more than all the ore mined ever.

So HTFU and it's only cause we love you and want to see this challenge succeed.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#91 - 2014-05-08 06:58:15 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
yea. I have noticed the same: miners work better than 'real players' Shocked

1. miners
2. manufacturers/researchers/etc...
3. carebears (mission runners)
4. 'real players' - pvp oriented group

Personally being bad i only added like 300 million to pvp pool yesterday Oops

That's because miners actually work. they aren't out there half heartedly trying to rat.. or destroy something. They are used to setting goals and putting in long hours to meet them.




lol botting
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#92 - 2014-05-08 06:59:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

so not interacting with the game is fine, you were just arguing that was the issue because you were parroting some one else's incorrect propaganda than using your own brain?


Not particularly. I was killing miners before it was cool. Yes, ganker hipster is a thing.

And as to the PI question..

Not interacting with the game while not being logged in, in open space is fine. You can do whatever you want while you're docked up, no one cares. Trade, make contracts, talk in local, write Fedo poetry, it doesn't matter.

When a PI guy goes to a poco to get his haul, and takes it back to a station, he is playing the game. Unless he's autopiloting.

But not playing the game while logged in, in open space, and making money? That is not fine. It's actually far worse than mission running, despite how very bad that activity is for being engaging gameplay.

A miner doesn't even shoot anything, they just sit there. Like scenery.



You can make money in space from mining? Shocked

Can you tell me what skill it is that allows me to mine and sell the ore or refine to minerals without leaving the asteroid belt and still be able to sell to the market directly?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#93 - 2014-05-08 07:13:15 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
trolling aside i'm not sure many pvpers will take responsibility for mining ore and building their own ships
some of them (you can see example right in this thread) even can't understand this thing

Nah, it's just funny that miners in this thread act like they're doing something good for the community, rather than just mining for themselves as they normally would.

Oh god.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#94 - 2014-05-08 07:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Riot Girl wrote:
Nah, it's just funny that miners in this thread act like they're doing something good for the community, rather than just mining for themselves as they normally would.

We do? Dunno about that... besides, even IF we did, we wouldn't have to, since what we do in game IS contributing, no? I don't really see the value of PvP over PvE in that regard...

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Drak Morgan
Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Drones
#95 - 2014-05-08 07:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Drak Morgan
This has been a fun read. I like how the debate favors PvP and miners feel then need to weigh in... but most miss that that Pvper are making mining profitable. In Eve increased risk equals increased rewards. Blowing up miners makes ore, minerals, and ice more profitable because the demand increases as supplies get harder to come by.

I can see great treks across systems as mining fleets with a vangaurd of PvP fit BS, BC, Tacklers, and Scouts search for a single Veldspar asteroid belt. Bloody battles ensue while contesting mining corps war in High and Low sec for the scant resources. Concord unwilling to get involved in such disputes. Unlicensed solo miners are perused by gankers and concord alike similar to runaway slaves hounded by packs of wild dogs; or chased off by corps to keep them from poaching their own dwindling resources. WH and Null sec being the only places where resources are truly abundant. Maybe the day will come when mining isn't an AFK activity and all Macrominer burn in Eve hell.
Josef Djugashvilis
#96 - 2014-05-08 07:30:47 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
trolling aside i'm not sure many pvpers will take responsibility for mining ore and building their own ships
some of them (you can see example right in this thread) even can't understand this thing

Nah, it's just funny that miners in this thread act like they're doing something good for the community, rather than just mining for themselves as they normally would.


Could this not also apply to all the other play-styles, or are the gankers etc only doing what they do to meet CCP targets?

I think that the players who jump on the, 'hate miners because...' bandwagon are the one set of players who just fail at the game.

All play-styles are equally valid unless they break the game rules set by CCP.

Apart from ice-mining Shocked

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#97 - 2014-05-08 07:38:27 UTC
I'll be doing it to meet CCP's targets as soon as my bff stops being a little *****

Oh god.
Dave Stark
#98 - 2014-05-08 07:42:40 UTC
Drak Morgan wrote:
I like how the debate favors PvP and miners feel then need to weigh in...


tends to happen when people start spewing incorrect assumptions about things they know nothing about.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#99 - 2014-05-08 07:46:05 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
tends to happen when people start spewing incorrect assumptions about things they know nothing about.

Crazy, hu? Roll

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Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#100 - 2014-05-08 08:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Riot Girl wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
trolling aside i'm not sure many pvpers will take responsibility for mining ore and building their own ships
some of them (you can see example right in this thread) even can't understand this thing

Nah, it's just funny that miners in this thread act like they're doing something good for the community, rather than just mining for themselves as they normally would.

Well, they are after all providing minerals that build ships. Less mining = less minerals = more expensive stuff. ISK is not fiat money... it's actually based on the amount of minerals (when you get to the basis of industry). So, the more they mine, the cheaper the stuff for the rest of players is. I'd call that "doing good for the community" since rarely anyone who likes PvP likes to grind to get the ships they need.