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My first day in Caldari FW

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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#1 - 2014-05-07 21:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalelmir Ahashion
went full speed ahead, sold my stuff, got few frigs and went to caldari fw space.

Started with high sec entry point got some ships and started scouting for trouble....

first couple of hours were either blobs of 4+ ships or random neutral...

Went deeper into low sec...

first rifter...
second rifter...
third rifter...
and more...

all of them scrammed and webbed then they just warp out like nothing happened and runs away...

ok.. so I went to plex sites hopped greedy farmers will jump in...

After 6 hours of "FW" and pvp attempts Finally I got a battle....
I was attacked by... Pirate (cheers for him) :X thank god for those at least I got a chance to "try" and shoot someone... then to my bad luck he was in Electronic attack frig using ECM with his ship bonus so I couldn't lock on him, then even with overheated prop mod he was faster then me so in the end even in the one fight I got today.. not single shot...

Really thought FW was lot more 1vs1 or small scale combats over the plexes, then I learned that unless a system has a station in it people won't try to capture it and just let it flip to the other side so they could get more LPs when they retake it.

TL;DR
Disappointed, 6+ hours not single pewpew in lowsec pvp zone, as miner I killed more stuff including gankers.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#2 - 2014-05-07 21:36:16 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
went full speed ahead, sold my stuff, got few frigs and went to caldari fw space.

Started with high sec entry point got some ships and started scouting for trouble....

first couple of hours were either blobs of 4+ ships or random neutral...

Went deeper into low sec...

first rifter...
second rifter...
third rifter...
and more...

all of them scrammed and webbed then they just warp out like nothing happened and runs away...

ok.. so I went to plex sites hopped greedy farmers will jump in...

After 6 hours of "FW" and pvp attempts Finally I got a battle....
I was attacked by... Pirate (cheers for him) :X thank god for those at least I got a chance to "try" and shoot someone... then to my bad luck he was in Electronic attack frig using ECM with his ship bonus so I couldn't lock on him, then even with overheated prop mod he was faster then me so in the end even in the one fight I got today.. not single shot...

Really thought FW was lot more 1vs1 or small scale combats over the plexes, then I learned that unless a system has a station in it people won't try to capture it and just let it flip to the other side so they could get more LPs when they retake it.

TL;DR
Disappointed, 6+ hours not single pewpew in lowsec pvp zone, as miner I killed more stuff including gankers.


Some systems are better than others for finding fights. I could give you what the systems were 8 months ago but they might have changed.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#3 - 2014-05-07 21:38:16 UTC
thought as much but part of the problem with PVP in eve is that you need to replace ships so 10 jumps radius from your base is pretty pita to manage...
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#4 - 2014-05-07 21:39:10 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
went full speed ahead, sold my stuff, got few frigs and went to caldari fw space.

Started with high sec entry point got some ships and started scouting for trouble....

first couple of hours were either blobs of 4+ ships or random neutral...

Went deeper into low sec...

first rifter...
second rifter...
third rifter...
and more...

all of them scrammed and webbed then they just warp out like nothing happened and runs away...

ok.. so I went to plex sites hopped greedy farmers will jump in...

After 6 hours of "FW" and pvp attempts Finally I got a battle....
I was attacked by... Pirate (cheers for him) :X thank god for those at least I got a chance to "try" and shoot someone... then to my bad luck he was in Electronic attack frig using ECM with his ship bonus so I couldn't lock on him, then even with overheated prop mod he was faster then me so in the end even in the one fight I got today.. not single shot...

Really thought FW was lot more 1vs1 or small scale combats over the plexes, then I learned that unless a system has a station in it people won't try to capture it and just let it flip to the other side so they could get more LPs when they retake it.

TL;DR
Disappointed, 6+ hours not single pewpew in lowsec pvp zone, as miner I killed more stuff including gankers.


next time fit warpcore stabs and cloak.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#5 - 2014-05-07 21:40:20 UTC
people please stop quoting the entire OP it's painful.
and why would I want warp core stab and cloak ?
I looked for pew pew :x
Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-05-07 21:42:41 UTC
Then go back to mining and ganking bankers. The thousands of people that actually do fw have no issue with fights.

Why not only care about system stations, would you capture a random field or a town?
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#7 - 2014-05-07 21:48:23 UTC
why not? Ain't it factional warfare?
shouldn't we work as faction to capture as much ground as possible?

and man I was looking for pvp no one wants to fight unless they are in blobed fleet..

I really liked that pirate I met first guy with balls to fight.
Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-07 21:51:59 UTC
Go plex in nisuwa. Have fun
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#9 - 2014-05-07 22:15:06 UTC
I have bloody 1 B to burn on pvp ships why I'll want to plex?

also after few more extensive searches I've found a guy from the GalMil willing to fight.
He was in incursus and I was in merlin. I managed to hold out pretty well even got him to 20% armor but due to the fact he had T2 scout drone and that I had to switch targets and kill his drone I faced a problem there.

At any rate was fun for the 20 seconds it lasted...

more frigs!
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-05-07 22:19:30 UTC
Where are you even looking. There's so many fights to be found.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#11 - 2014-05-07 23:21:14 UTC
The blobs man...

few more hours invested...

So far it's mix of the following:
Blob fleet enter system = > all other side of the militia runs away.
Few non fleeted opponents in system = > runs away like pussies.
Once in few dozen jumps you find a fight... hell even pair of navy comet + condor ran away from me for some reason...

overall Eve pvp at least in faction warfare is extremely lacking... had to jump like 12-20 jumps into lowsec from the "hub" where I get my ships in order to find someone to shoot at. boring like hell.... maybe should have been a pirate or something.. who knows..
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#12 - 2014-05-07 23:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
The blobs man...

few more hours invested...

So far it's mix of the following:
Blob fleet enter system = > all other side of the militia runs away.
Few non fleeted opponents in system = > runs away like pussies.
Once in few dozen jumps you find a fight... hell even pair of navy comet + condor ran away from me for some reason...

overall Eve pvp at least in faction warfare is extremely lacking... had to jump like 12-20 jumps into lowsec from the "hub" where I get my ships in order to find someone to shoot at. boring like hell.... maybe should have been a pirate or something.. who knows..



The guy with 11 kills and 10 deaths in his entire career is absolutely qualified to make sweeping judgements regarding FW.

This character smells like a caerain alt.

Just in case you are not his alt, i would suggest that if you are practically alone raising complaint after complaint, perhaps the problem is with how you are going about things.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2014-05-08 00:10:56 UTC
I generally get at least 2-3 fights per hour on a really slow night.

You must either have epicly bad luck or you are only going for 1v1's.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Bearded Forum Alt
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-05-08 00:31:45 UTC
Honestly: if you just want the fights, and don't care about the LP, then just go rogue.

1) Fit a stack of frigates you like to fly. Don't skimp on the t2 guns and tank.
2) Open the map and make a 20+ jump route through FW space.
3) Fly your route as quickly as you can, scanning the plexs as you go.
4) Frig in a plex? Warp in and attack.

If you move quickly enough, you almost never see large gangs. You'll find lots of farmers, but they need killing, too.

I have been roaming FW like this for a couple of months, mostly solo, and I have never spent more than 15 minutes looking for someone to engage.

I should point out that solo PVP is a very harsh teacher. And that many fights which begin solo will not end that way. But good lord, will this recipe get you fights.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#15 - 2014-05-08 02:35:09 UTC
If isk isn't an issue and you aren't bothered about the RP side of things with FW then just go pirate.

The number of fights depends a lot on what TZ you fly and how active you are in 'finding' them.

The whole blob v me thing is a way of life in eve. If you don't want to fight outnumbered then you just accept that and be happy with a smaller number of fights. Or you can try and split up 'the blob' FW plex's are a good way to do this.

FW is historically the most 'active' area in the game with regards to pvp. But there are a multitude of different factors in how mnay fights you will actually get. You need to figure them out for yourself.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#16 - 2014-05-08 03:20:20 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
The blobs man...

few more hours invested...

So far it's mix of the following:
Blob fleet enter system = > all other side of the militia runs away.
Few non fleeted opponents in system = > runs away like pussies.
Once in few dozen jumps you find a fight... hell even pair of navy comet + condor ran away from me for some reason...



You are playing an MMO.
If you expect 1v1s in an MMO then the problem is with your expectations.

Stop trying to play the game the opposite way its designed to be played.
Fly with friends or you will keep dying to people with friends.


Having looked at your lossboard it seems that some of your fits are ok but predictable. (A few are terribad - like the small shield booster merlin)

You seem to only be carrying short range ammo in your Merlins and only ever fitting dps mods to lows.
A lot of the time speed/agility or tracking and damage projection are more important than dps.


Don't use MASBs on Merlins (especially until you can use t2 neutrons - then carry navy antimatter and null ammo).
MASBs are junk and you will almost always die during reload.

There are way better options for active shield tanks when flying resist bonused Caldari ships without the stupid reload times.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#17 - 2014-05-08 09:54:02 UTC
I am pretty terrible, but I still find fights in FW space without too much of an issue. Granted many of them are not "goodfights" as I am pretty sure every solo kill I have had so far this month I have either outclassed by ship or SP.


Thing is though, even though they were not in the majority some of them were really good fights, particularity I enjoyed the dessie gang from 24eme Legion Etrangere with their 3x Dragoon and 1x Coercer, with some of those dragoons having RR in the highs, that was a cool concept and it made for a fun fight.

My point, if you look, there are people willing to fight, and failing that, you can put 2x scrams on a Keres and catch farmers, because most do not have 4x WCS, so that works pretty well.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#18 - 2014-05-08 14:05:14 UTC
Visit Black Rise resorts.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#19 - 2014-05-08 14:42:07 UTC
Stop by Nisuwa and ask for a 1v1 in local. If do not ask you will get blobbed by at least 6 boosted cunts looking for an easy killmail.

nom nom

Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#20 - 2014-05-08 17:54:21 UTC
People do flip the systems that don't have stations. I believe you are referring specifically to Vaaralen in this case, as we let you know to give priority to the alliance home systems for any de-plexing efforts as systems without stations cannot be taken by Gallente and used to stage against us. That was a strategic move, but by no means do we ignore the systems just to get more LP. If you were looking for 1v1 fights, de-plexing gets those fights. People in our corporation post kills all day just de-plexing Teskanen alone. I’ve seen several kills posted just this morning.

There are plenty of fights in low sec, and as a solo pilot it's not unreasonable to get at least 1 non farmer fight per hour. You mention not wanting to plex, but plexing is a good way to control the fights and have them on your terms. Fit a brawling frigate, get into a novice plex and wait, and generally you'll find a fight.

While there are a lot of farmers yes, realize that in addition to all those farmers you are chasing out of plexes, others are doing the same thing looking for fights. Sometimes waiting nets you the fights you want. Otherwise, adjust tactics. Tired of farmers? Hunt some of them for the sheer enjoyment of slowing down their progress. Put 2 scrams on a Crow, a Nemesis, whatever, pick your poison, and kill them. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel and can be quite satisfying while you are waiting for a decent fight. Additionally, if you are looking for solo fights you should ALWAYS look up your target on killboards prior to engaging. This gives valuable information, from whether they are stabbed (so you know if you should waste your time), fits, player efficiency, whether they mostly solo, etc.

As for 4+ "blobs", those guys are roaming specifically for fights. Both Gallente and neutral parties will generally agree to some kind of set terms if you try to arrange them for a fight, as that's the reason we all live in low sec. The PVP. It's really not a gank blob until you start seeing 20+. Anything below that is largely considered to be small gang skirmishing. You can also look in to up-shipping and soloing against them. A good cruiser pilot can take a few destroyers no problem depending on the skill of the destroyer pilots.

Replacing the ships can indeed be painful, but that's why you stage things in low sec and patrol near home. If you find yourself roaming far from your home system you may want to stage additional ships further out.

One suggestion is while you’re trying to figure out the good spots for fighting go join a fleet and get familiar with the area with the safety of numbers. At the time you were making these posts you were still in my corporation and there were no less than 3 concurrent alliance fleets out at a time doing various things from gate camping to roaming. The different systems all have different activity depending on the time of day. The map is also a great tool for figuring out where to go. Look at the number of jumps in systems. Look at 24 hour kills and 1 hour kills to get an idea for the activity in system. Look for recent pod kills to avoid gate camps and/or smart bombers. There are a variety of tools at your disposal to help you find fights, and the EU time zone is one of the most highly active times in Faction Warfare. Finding fights isn’t difficult, you just need more experience in knowing how to find them. That comes with time.

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