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Reactive Armor Hardeners
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DoAsYouAreBid
Doing The Business
#1 - 2014-05-06 20:14:11 UTC
Some confusing conversations about this.

I understand how it distributes damage across the resistances.

I do not understand what it stacks against.

Eve Uni Wiki states it doesn't stack against DC. Does it stack against EANM?

Does it stack vs hardeners?

Would mucho appreciate some guidance on this.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2014-05-06 20:23:29 UTC
DC doesn't get stacking penalties.

Oh god.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#3 - 2014-05-06 20:31:08 UTC
Reactive Armor Hardener is on the same stacking category as the DC. So, the reactive armor hardener doesn't get stacking penalties with anything other than the DC.

So, DC + RAH = stacking penalty
DC + EANM = no stacking penalty
RAH + EANM = no stacking penalty
RAH + Hardener = no stacking penalty
EANM + Hardener = stacking penalty
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#4 - 2014-05-06 20:35:02 UTC
Last time I checked the Reactive Armor Hardener stacks with DCU and the Bastion. All the rest goes to another stack.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#5 - 2014-05-06 20:47:51 UTC
I guess it does then.

Oh god.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-05-06 21:42:21 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Reactive Armor Hardener is on the same stacking category as the DC. So, the reactive armor hardener doesn't get stacking penalties with anything other than the DC.

So, DC + RAH = stacking penalty
DC + EANM = no stacking penalty
RAH + EANM = no stacking penalty
RAH + Hardener = no stacking penalty
EANM + Hardener = stacking penalty



This is it!

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
DoAsYouAreBid
Doing The Business
#7 - 2014-05-06 22:07:26 UTC  |  Edited by: DoAsYouAreBid
Chris Winter wrote:
Reactive Armor Hardener is on the same stacking category as the DC. So, the reactive armor hardener doesn't get stacking penalties with anything other than the DC.

So, DC + RAH = stacking penalty
DC + EANM = no stacking penalty
RAH + EANM = no stacking penalty
RAH + Hardener = no stacking penalty
EANM + Hardener = stacking penalty


So for a dual damage mission then a DC, EANM, RAH would be perfect assuming that you need the extra tank.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-06 22:10:47 UTC
DoAsYouAreBid wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:
Reactive Armor Hardener is on the same stacking category as the DC. So, the reactive armor hardener doesn't get stacking penalties with anything other than the DC.

So, DC + RAH = stacking penalty
DC + EANM = no stacking penalty
RAH + EANM = no stacking penalty
RAH + Hardener = no stacking penalty
EANM + Hardener = stacking penalty


So for a dual damage mission then a DC, EANM, RAH would be perfect assuming that you need the extra tank.

That seems to be wasting a lot of slots for tank. I would have to see the ship and loadout but I would guess 3 specific hardeners would give better resists as well.
DoAsYouAreBid
Doing The Business
#9 - 2014-05-06 22:14:54 UTC
Domi

2 slot hardener tank. One repper.

On the odd occasional time that my tank is crap I am trying to work out if this mod would solve my problems.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-05-06 22:24:03 UTC
DoAsYouAreBid wrote:
Domi

2 slot hardener tank. One repper.

On the odd occasional time that my tank is crap I am trying to work out if this mod would solve my problems.


I've never tried the RAH but from what I understand at it max damage resist it's 60%. This only happens if the target is doing one type of damage. If it's split between EM and Thermal that's 30%. Of course this is AFTER it takes it time to adjust. Before that it's 15%.

T2 hardener = 55% resists. If you're using a 2 slot tank, ie 1 EM, 1 thermal it's not stacking against anything.

How do you fit your Domi? What space do you mission in? I use a MJD fit and it works well against anything except NPC's that love to use missiles. Angel extrav is no problem tanking
DoAsYouAreBid
Doing The Business
#11 - 2014-05-06 22:30:33 UTC  |  Edited by: DoAsYouAreBid
IIshira wrote:
DoAsYouAreBid wrote:
Domi

2 slot hardener tank. One repper.

On the odd occasional time that my tank is crap I am trying to work out if this mod would solve my problems.


I've never tried the RAH but from what I understand at it max damage resist it's 60%. This only happens if the target is doing one type of damage. If it's split between EM and Thermal that's 30%. Of course this is AFTER it takes it time to adjust. Before that it's 15%.

T2 hardener = 55% resists. If you're using a 2 slot tank, ie 1 EM, 1 thermal it's not stacking against anything.

How do you fit your Domi? What space do you mission in? I use a MJD fit and it works well against anything except NPC's that love to use missiles. Angel extrav is no problem tanking



I generally fit T2 hardeners. The key here is how it stacks and that is what I am asking.

It takes any damage and accepts it as given so EM / Therm - even if it is 90 EM and 10 Therm it just goes 30/30.

Fine.

How does it stack - my question hasn't changed.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#12 - 2014-05-06 22:40:02 UTC
Your question was already answered in the second reply of this thread.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-05-06 22:45:29 UTC
DoAsYouAreBid wrote:
IIshira wrote:
DoAsYouAreBid wrote:
Domi

2 slot hardener tank. One repper.

On the odd occasional time that my tank is crap I am trying to work out if this mod would solve my problems.


I've never tried the RAH but from what I understand at it max damage resist it's 60%. This only happens if the target is doing one type of damage. If it's split between EM and Thermal that's 30%. Of course this is AFTER it takes it time to adjust. Before that it's 15%.

T2 hardener = 55% resists. If you're using a 2 slot tank, ie 1 EM, 1 thermal it's not stacking against anything.

How do you fit your Domi? What space do you mission in? I use a MJD fit and it works well against anything except NPC's that love to use missiles. Angel extrav is no problem tanking



I generally fit T2 hardeners. The key here is how it stacks and that is what I am asking.

It takes any damage and accepts it as given so EM / Therm - even if it is 90 EM and 10 Therm it just goes 30/30.

Fine.

How does it stack - my question hasn't changed.


I don't know if it just splits in half if it's 90 percent EM but then again I'm not aware of any missions that have this.

I was just saying that replacing an existing hardener would be counterproductive since you're repacing something that has 55% resists with something that will give you less unless you're taking only one damage type. This doesn't happen in any mission I know.

You can add it as an additional module but that lowers your DPS.

Your original question was answered tho... It only stacks with a DC. I didn't mean to sidetrack your post. Just trying to be of help.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-05-06 22:46:15 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Your question was already answered in the second reply of this thread.

It does stack with the DC.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Stacking_penalties#Weird_Exceptions
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#15 - 2014-05-06 22:58:23 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:
Your question was already answered in the second reply of this thread.

It does stack with the DC.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Stacking_penalties#Weird_Exceptions

And the second reply in the thread is the one where I said exactly that...
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-06 23:01:37 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:
Your question was already answered in the second reply of this thread.

It does stack with the DC.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Stacking_penalties#Weird_Exceptions

And the second reply in the thread is the one where I said exactly that...

Nevermind me... I was looking at the first reply. You are correct tho!
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#17 - 2014-05-06 23:06:57 UTC
IIshira wrote:
DoAsYouAreBid wrote:
IIshira wrote:
DoAsYouAreBid wrote:
Domi

2 slot hardener tank. One repper.

On the odd occasional time that my tank is crap I am trying to work out if this mod would solve my problems.


I've never tried the RAH but from what I understand at it max damage resist it's 60%. This only happens if the target is doing one type of damage. If it's split between EM and Thermal that's 30%. Of course this is AFTER it takes it time to adjust. Before that it's 15%.

T2 hardener = 55% resists. If you're using a 2 slot tank, ie 1 EM, 1 thermal it's not stacking against anything.

How do you fit your Domi? What space do you mission in? I use a MJD fit and it works well against anything except NPC's that love to use missiles. Angel extrav is no problem tanking



I generally fit T2 hardeners. The key here is how it stacks and that is what I am asking.

It takes any damage and accepts it as given so EM / Therm - even if it is 90 EM and 10 Therm it just goes 30/30.

Fine.

How does it stack - my question hasn't changed.


I don't know if it just splits in half if it's 90 percent EM but then again I'm not aware of any missions that have this.

I was just saying that replacing an existing hardener would be counterproductive since you're repacing something that has 55% resists with something that will give you less unless you're taking only one damage type. This doesn't happen in any mission I know.

You can add it as an additional module but that lowers your DPS.

Your original question was answered tho... It only stacks with a DC. I didn't mean to sidetrack your post. Just trying to be of help.




if a mission does only EM and Thermal damage, then fitting 1 EM hardener will make RAH adapt to tank to Thermal. I don't think there is a reason NOT to use it. If you use 2 hardeners, then put 1 that will benefit you ship the most and plug other with RAH. IF you use 3 hardeners, put 2 that will benefit the most and RAH.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-05-06 23:14:56 UTC
nahjustwarpin wrote:

if a mission does only EM and Thermal damage, then fitting 1 EM hardener will make RAH adapt to tank to Thermal. I don't think there is a reason NOT to use it. If you use 2 hardeners, then put 1 that will benefit you ship the most and plug other with RAH. IF you use 3 hardeners, put 2 that will benefit the most and RAH.

Wait are you saying that if your ship has an EM hardener the RAH will move towards higher thermal resists? I thought how it changed was based on the percentage of incoming damage not factoring in your resists.
Garak n00biachi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-05-06 23:16:09 UTC
nahjustwarpin wrote:
IIshira wrote:
DoAsYouAreBid wrote:
IIshira wrote:
DoAsYouAreBid wrote:
Domi

2 slot hardener tank. One repper.

On the odd occasional time that my tank is crap I am trying to work out if this mod would solve my problems.


I've never tried the RAH but from what I understand at it max damage resist it's 60%. This only happens if the target is doing one type of damage. If it's split between EM and Thermal that's 30%. Of course this is AFTER it takes it time to adjust. Before that it's 15%.

T2 hardener = 55% resists. If you're using a 2 slot tank, ie 1 EM, 1 thermal it's not stacking against anything.

How do you fit your Domi? What space do you mission in? I use a MJD fit and it works well against anything except NPC's that love to use missiles. Angel extrav is no problem tanking



I generally fit T2 hardeners. The key here is how it stacks and that is what I am asking.

It takes any damage and accepts it as given so EM / Therm - even if it is 90 EM and 10 Therm it just goes 30/30.

Fine.

How does it stack - my question hasn't changed.


I don't know if it just splits in half if it's 90 percent EM but then again I'm not aware of any missions that have this.

I was just saying that replacing an existing hardener would be counterproductive since you're repacing something that has 55% resists with something that will give you less unless you're taking only one damage type. This doesn't happen in any mission I know.

You can add it as an additional module but that lowers your DPS.

Your original question was answered tho... It only stacks with a DC. I didn't mean to sidetrack your post. Just trying to be of help.




if a mission does only EM and Thermal damage, then fitting 1 EM hardener will make RAH adapt to tank to Thermal. I don't think there is a reason NOT to use it. If you use 2 hardeners, then put 1 that will benefit you ship the most and plug other with RAH. IF you use 3 hardeners, put 2 that will benefit the most and RAH.


I dont think this is true, it only looks at incoming damage and spreads 60% over it..... not caring how high your resists already are.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-05-06 23:21:25 UTC
I thought it was based on the total incoming damage not the damage caused to your ship after resists are factored in. I can't find any specific explanation to say either way though. Sad
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