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Drake for Nullsec Angel Hubs
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Jeremy Kamira
#1 - 2014-05-03 16:53:39 UTC
Going to be going into angel hubs down in nullsec (Solo), can anyone give me criticism on my fit?

Im not going to get T2 hams because this drake is a filler until my current training queue is done.
The cloak really is there for a "Just incase" purpose. Im fine with/without.
I acknowledge that my cap skills are ****, they will be trained.

[Drake, Nullsec Drake]

6x Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I (Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile)
Prototype Cloaking Device I

2x Explosive Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Republic Fleet Target Painter
10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II

3x Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

[Statistics - Jeremy Kamira]

Effective HP: 41,352 (Eve: 18,937)
Tank Ability: 196.35 DPS
Damage Profile - Angel Cartel (EM: 10.88%, Ex: 58.71%, Ki: 18.93%, Th: 11.48%)
Shield Resists - EM: 12.00%, Ex: 89.66%, Ki: 76.24%, Th: 29.60%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 45.00%

Capacitor (Lasts 6m)

Volley Damage: 1,321.83
DPS: 329.82
MissBehaving
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2014-05-03 20:31:37 UTC
Take a cruiser, probly more DPS and wont cost you as much when you get popped. A Battle Cruisers these days are just a KM waiting to happen especially solo.
Jeremy Kamira
#3 - 2014-05-03 23:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeremy Kamira
MissBehaving wrote:
Take a cruiser, probly more DPS and wont cost you as much when you get popped. A Battle Cruisers these days are just a KM waiting to happen especially solo.


Will the cruiser have enough tank though?
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#4 - 2014-05-04 02:01:07 UTC
That fit is fine other than teh RF Painter, use the meta 4 one, theres no point using a shiny painter on a Drake.
Jeremy Kamira
#5 - 2014-05-05 01:51:53 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
That fit is fine other than teh RF Painter, use the meta 4 one, theres no point using a shiny painter on a Drake.


Switched it out

Anyone else see any problems with this fit that would need fixing?
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2014-05-05 11:03:44 UTC
Seems like the tank might be a little light for Hubs, but I have no experience running them so it's just a guess. Other than that it seems fine.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2014-05-05 12:42:29 UTC
I wouldn't recommend it. Drake is bigger and slower than a BS.

Oh god.
Jeremy Kamira
#8 - 2014-05-05 14:13:27 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Seems like the tank might be a little light for Hubs, but I have no experience running them so it's just a guess. Other than that it seems fine.


Okay thanks, i was thinking that too but there is no way to see until you actually get down their.

Riot Girl wrote:
I wouldn't recommend it. Drake is bigger and slower than a BS.


Really? Last time i checked, the Drake is smaller and faster than the Raven. What would you recommend?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#9 - 2014-05-05 14:24:32 UTC
It depends on what ships you can fly and what ships you're willing to train for. A Tornado might be okay, but I think Angel rats have cruise missiles, so you'll need some tank for those. Other than that, you want to aim for something that can deal damage at long ranges and can tank the missiles. A Raven is a good choice though.

Oh god.
Jeremy Kamira
#10 - 2014-05-05 14:55:14 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
It depends on what ships you can fly and what ships you're willing to train for. A Tornado might be okay, but I think Angel rats have cruise missiles, so you'll need some tank for those. Other than that, you want to aim for something that can deal damage at long ranges and can tank the missiles. A Raven is a good choice though.


Sorry, im new so this might be a rookie question, but dont Angel Rats have lots of frigates? From what i understand, cruise missiles suck at pushing out DPS. And my raven skills are primarily with Cruise Missiles.


Also just to let you know, im currently training for the Tengu.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#11 - 2014-05-05 17:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Yeah, they kind of suck against frigates but you can use rigs to improve your damage application. You should train Guided Missile Precision and Target Navigation Prediction. If you have T2 launchers, you can also use precision to improve your damage application. How long have you been playing?

Oh god.
Jeremy Kamira
#12 - 2014-05-05 20:49:58 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Yeah, they kind of suck against frigates but you can use rigs to improve your damage application. You should train Guided Missile Precision and Target Navigation Prediction. If you have T2 launchers, you can also use precision to improve your damage application. How long have you been playing?


A few months, i have around 4.5m SP and almost all of it has been trained for combat. (I have some basic PI, Industry, and some other non-combat oriented skills, but who doesn't on there first account?)

What im really trying to do right now is find a ship that i can spend a few days on for training (To top it off) and that would work for hubs so i can use that ship while i train for the tengu. Just to fly it i need around another 20 more days.

I am not that rich so losing a ship like a raven would put me back way to far. I was thinking i would use the drake for a bit until i feel comfortable with my wallet, then bring a raven down to null so losing it won't cause that much damage.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#13 - 2014-05-05 21:02:44 UTC
It might be okay for some of the easier anomalies but I think you're going to struggle using a Drake, especially with low skills. You might be better off sticking to belts for now but I don't know much about Angel anoms, so it might be okay.

Oh god.
Jeremy Kamira
#14 - 2014-05-05 21:42:51 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
It might be okay for some of the easier anomalies but I think you're going to struggle using a Drake, especially with low skills. You might be better off sticking to belts for now but I don't know much about Angel anoms, so it might be okay.


Well i haven't gone to nullsec yet, so you really can't know for sure until your there. I will reply back here when i have gone down there and tried it out! Thanks for the advice!
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#15 - 2014-05-06 01:36:30 UTC
Basically remember that with angels its when they get on top of you that the pain starts coming. So you need to be constantly moving to help tank some of that dps.

If your going drake-> tengu dump the meta 4 launchers (like 100m for a set) and train for t2 launchers first. Use the meta 2 launchers on the drake until you get there. Also fire kin missiles instead of explosive. (Resists favor explosive but you do 20% more damage with the kin)


Honestly at your SP level you really should have friends to help you in sites and run mostly Forsaken Rally Points, The Standard Hub. Spawns should be managable.


Ishtars can actually be as nice for angel space as they are basically anywhere else.
Alcorak
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-06 18:09:03 UTC
That fit looks pretty god for a PvE drake. In my drake-ratting days I always found belt ratting to be better than sites. Since you can warp relatively quickly you'll have a better chance of hauler and domination spawns, and much lighter DPS coming against you. That being said, if your current fit has any issues, you could drop the target painter for an extra shield extender, or swap a BCU or 2 for more power relays to significantly improve your tank. The cloak will be 100% useless so drop it if you need fitting space - you can't cloak while targeted - even if its rats. The proper response to a neut in system is 'pos up'.
Jeremy Kamira
#17 - 2014-05-06 19:26:59 UTC
xPredat0rz wrote:
Basically remember that with angels its when they get on top of you that the pain starts coming. So you need to be constantly moving to help tank some of that dps.

If your going drake-> tengu dump the meta 4 launchers (like 100m for a set) and train for t2 launchers first. Use the meta 2 launchers on the drake until you get there. Also fire kin missiles instead of explosive. (Resists favor explosive but you do 20% more damage with the kin)


Honestly at your SP level you really should have friends to help you in sites and run mostly Forsaken Rally Points, The Standard Hub. Spawns should be managable.


Ishtars can actually be as nice for angel space as they are basically anywhere else.


Im just a bit confused, the launchers are 500k each and in my post it says i am using kinetic missiles.
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#18 - 2014-05-06 20:23:53 UTC
Jeremy Kamira wrote:
xPredat0rz wrote:
Basically remember that with angels its when they get on top of you that the pain starts coming. So you need to be constantly moving to help tank some of that dps.

If your going drake-> tengu dump the meta 4 launchers (like 100m for a set) and train for t2 launchers first. Use the meta 2 launchers on the drake until you get there. Also fire kin missiles instead of explosive. (Resists favor explosive but you do 20% more damage with the kin)


Honestly at your SP level you really should have friends to help you in sites and run mostly Forsaken Rally Points, The Standard Hub. Spawns should be managable.


Ishtars can actually be as nice for angel space as they are basically anywhere else.


Im just a bit confused, the launchers are 500k each and in my post it says i am using kinetic missiles.



Nevermind. I thought you were using the HML launchers that clock in at 12m each.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-05-06 22:59:21 UTC
xPredat0rz wrote:


Nevermind. I thought you were using the HML launchers that clock in at 12m each.

Back in the day meta 4 HML cost a lot but now they're cheap... I think it was because of the loot changes but not sure.

To the OP why don't you ask your alliance members that are already out there? You should have Teamspeak or Ventrilo so get on there and chat away with them. I'm sure if they're out there they will have some good advice for what ship is best. Also they will know your skills because they have your API key. This will allow them to give better advice since it's based on a lot more info than what people in the forums have.

You're not planning on going out there solo... Are you?
Jeremy Kamira
#20 - 2014-05-07 04:32:15 UTC
IIshira wrote:
xPredat0rz wrote:


Nevermind. I thought you were using the HML launchers that clock in at 12m each.

Back in the day meta 4 HML cost a lot but now they're cheap... I think it was because of the loot changes but not sure.

To the OP why don't you ask your alliance members that are already out there? You should have Teamspeak or Ventrilo so get on there and chat away with them. I'm sure if they're out there they will have some good advice for what ship is best. Also they will know your skills because they have your API key. This will allow them to give better advice since it's based on a lot more info than what people in the forums have.

You're not planning on going out there solo... Are you?


Yes i am planning to do solo. (this account is an alt so i might train this one up also) Also why the hell do you think my alliance has my API key?
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