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CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#481 - 2014-05-05 08:33:51 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Hey CCP W.T. Noise,

I rememmber a few months ago a Dev, not sure it was you was saying that CCP was considering using the original woman who did the Aura voice to do some more voice acting .

Do you know anything about how that worked out?


Something being considered doesn't mean it's going to happen within just a few months.
It's a decision being made outside of my hands and I doubt it's going to happen anytime soon. sorry.

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
Ushra'Khan
#482 - 2014-05-05 09:07:41 UTC
thank you for finally beeing able to manage all those sounds!
this is a gift heaven send, or at least send from sound demigods.

keep up the good work, much appreciated ;)
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#483 - 2014-05-05 11:36:54 UTC
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
thank you for finally beeing able to manage all those sounds!
this is a gift heaven send, or at least send from sound demigods.

keep up the good work, much appreciated ;)


Np. I am really satisfied with this feature.
I had to, and the department, had to go through MANY obstacles on the way to make this happen.

So I am really crossing my fingers that you will like this when it comes out and that it will be used as intended.

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
Ushra'Khan
#484 - 2014-05-05 12:28:20 UTC
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
(...) and that it will be used as intended.


you are talking about eve players here. they always find use cases other than the intended :P
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#485 - 2014-05-05 13:07:51 UTC
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
(...) and that it will be used as intended.


you are talking about eve players here. they always find use cases other than the intended :P


oh that's fine.
the intended use was for it to be used in many ways, and hopefully there will be a lot of different kinds of uses for it and feedback so I can see if it needs a tweak here and there or if something is not as intended.

It's a fairly open system, taking into account that players will find their own way to use it or exploit it. so I'm looking forward to see how it's being used

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#486 - 2014-05-05 19:54:24 UTC
Liked your round table a lot. Thx for that.

Really would like more sounds though ;).


  • Mining crystal replaced by new one
  • Ore hold full
  • Market order sold out completely
  • ...


Hope your team will have a good base now to move the extra things forward ;).

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#487 - 2014-05-05 20:13:57 UTC
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Liked your round table a lot. Thx for that.

Really would like more sounds though ;).


  • Mining crystal replaced by new one
  • Ore hold full
  • Market order sold out completely
  • ...


Hope your team will have a good base now to move the extra things forward ;).


yea, more sounds , for certain things. agreed.
the automated sounds of cargohold and mining crystals are definitely on my list. or auto reloading modules.

market sold out, you mean, if you open the market and there is absolutely nothing ? or if what you are selling has been sold?

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

Vexaliant Uhad
#488 - 2014-05-05 20:20:40 UTC
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Liked your round table a lot. Thx for that.

Really would like more sounds though ;).


  • Mining crystal replaced by new one
  • Ore hold full
  • Market order sold out completely
  • ...


Hope your team will have a good base now to move the extra things forward ;).


yea, more sounds , for certain things. agreed.
the automated sounds of cargohold and mining crystals are definitely on my list. or auto reloading modules.

market sold out, you mean, if you open the market and there is absolutely nothing ? or if what you are selling has been sold?


Sounds for notifications like that would be awesome. For mail, or market sales etc. Maybe a set of default notification sounds that you can set for the different "event" notifications. Would be cool.
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#489 - 2014-05-05 20:25:39 UTC
Vexaliant Uhad wrote:
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Liked your round table a lot. Thx for that.

Really would like more sounds though ;).


  • Mining crystal replaced by new one
  • Ore hold full
  • Market order sold out completely
  • ...


Hope your team will have a good base now to move the extra things forward ;).


yea, more sounds , for certain things. agreed.
the automated sounds of cargohold and mining crystals are definitely on my list. or auto reloading modules.

market sold out, you mean, if you open the market and there is absolutely nothing ? or if what you are selling has been sold?


Sounds for notifications like that would be awesome. For mail, or market sales etc. Maybe a set of default notification sounds that you can set for the different "event" notifications. Would be cool.


The ability to set which ones you want and doesn't :)

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

Vexaliant Uhad
#490 - 2014-05-05 20:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vexaliant Uhad
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
Vexaliant Uhad wrote:
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Liked your round table a lot. Thx for that.

Really would like more sounds though ;).


  • Mining crystal replaced by new one
  • Ore hold full
  • Market order sold out completely
  • ...


Hope your team will have a good base now to move the extra things forward ;).


yea, more sounds , for certain things. agreed.
the automated sounds of cargohold and mining crystals are definitely on my list. or auto reloading modules.

market sold out, you mean, if you open the market and there is absolutely nothing ? or if what you are selling has been sold?


Sounds for notifications like that would be awesome. For mail, or market sales etc. Maybe a set of default notification sounds that you can set for the different "event" notifications. Would be cool.


The ability to set which ones you want and doesn't :)



YES! THIS PLEASE. You are making the CEO job that much easier! We get spammed with wallet notifications, sales, contracts, mails, chat etc all the time.

Could it ever be a consideration to add the same concept we are talking about to the new chat filters they recently worked on? That would notify you if someone joined that channel, mentioned your name etc. ?
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#491 - 2014-05-05 21:19:03 UTC
Vexaliant Uhad wrote:
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
Vexaliant Uhad wrote:
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Liked your round table a lot. Thx for that.

Really would like more sounds though ;).


  • Mining crystal replaced by new one
  • Ore hold full
  • Market order sold out completely
  • ...


Hope your team will have a good base now to move the extra things forward ;).


yea, more sounds , for certain things. agreed.
the automated sounds of cargohold and mining crystals are definitely on my list. or auto reloading modules.

market sold out, you mean, if you open the market and there is absolutely nothing ? or if what you are selling has been sold?


Sounds for notifications like that would be awesome. For mail, or market sales etc. Maybe a set of default notification sounds that you can set for the different "event" notifications. Would be cool.


The ability to set which ones you want and doesn't :)



YES! THIS PLEASE. You are making the CEO job that much easier! We get spammed with wallet notifications, sales, contracts, mails, chat etc all the time.

Could it ever be a consideration to add the same concept we are talking about to the new chat filters they recently worked on? That would notify you if someone joined that channel, mentioned your name etc. ?


oh we are well out of my league here regarding game design and UI design already man. sorry :)

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#492 - 2014-05-06 05:04:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
Hi CCP WhiteNoiseTrash!

I'd like to thank you for your active participation to the forums a few patches ago when Rubicon had a lot of new sound effects, that was cool !

I have a question though since I missed your intervention at fanfest (was it streamed at all? Sad), are there any plans on adding more sounds effects to affect the gameplay in the future? (Like a sound for "New ennemies on grid" although this one is now taken by the new warp effects)

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CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#493 - 2014-05-06 12:02:04 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Hi CCP WhiteNoiseTrash!

I'd like to thank you for your active participation to the forums a few patches ago when Rubicon had a lot of new sound effects, that was cool !

I have a question though since I missed your intervention at fanfest (was it streamed at all? Sad), are there any plans on adding more sounds effects to affect the gameplay in the future? (Like a sound for "New ennemies on grid" although this one is now taken by the new warp effects)


Yes. and No.
There are some game design issues on it, and the new warp in effect may not solve the problem you are asking about, but we'll see when it's fully integrated. But everything UI and game design related, has to be "approved" by them first or created by them and I create a game audio feature for just that.

some of the thoughts I have been having are: (basically just a brainstorming on stuff I would personally love to see in the game)

1. New enemies on grid. not friends or neutrals, but enemies.
2. new object on D-scan, different from your last scan, if made within the last 5 minutes it doesn't warn you. I'm trying to come up with a design document on how this could work.

3. audible warnings, instead of just UI icons and sound effects on the actual visual effect, to tell you about the situation at hand.
Cap drain, cargohold full, scramble, web, etc.

4. with the new audio customization menu, we open up to a whole new way of dealing with sound. yet my main problem is finding room in the menu and not just getting more sliders in, yet the game is advanced and advanced options are a natural part of it, doesn't mean that everything should be swamped in options.

4.1 Choosing how far away you want to hear the new warp in effect.
4.2 which warnings do you want sound for, with a bunch of checkboxes.
4.3 Stuff that doesn't have a UI icon or other form of indication, could have a sound cue, like "research job done" or similar.

4.4. A few customization options in the menu, regarding when to hear armor, shield and hull warnings. setting the threshold is possible already, but it's well hidden.

I want everything in the game, sound wise, to be open for customization of volume, distances and so on.
That will NOT, and never will, give you the option to put in custom sounds of your own, but I want the game to fit the EVE Universe sound aesthetically and you as a player to have the ability to shape your needs to make it just right.

I want sound to belong in the gameplay, not something you turn off because it's not needed or you think you don't need it. if you don't like sound, then fine, but I want it to be something special and customization friendly to every player.
All this above, is a number of thoughts of mine, I am not the person to make final decisions and it's just part of what I try to pitch every time we have a brainstorming, so if it might take a while to get all this done, then you know why.

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#494 - 2014-05-06 12:30:39 UTC
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Liked your round table a lot. Thx for that.

Really would like more sounds though ;).


  • Mining crystal replaced by new one
  • Ore hold full
  • Market order sold out completely
  • ...


Hope your team will have a good base now to move the extra things forward ;).


yea, more sounds , for certain things. agreed.
the automated sounds of cargohold and mining crystals are definitely on my list. or auto reloading modules.

market sold out, you mean, if you open the market and there is absolutely nothing ? or if what you are selling has been sold?


If your order has 101/101 sales listed

And I sell a few today, and a few tomorrow, and suddently a relister buys all, I would like to know, let it give a sound. :D, would be great. Rest of list I would have to think on ;)

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#495 - 2014-05-06 12:36:39 UTC
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Liked your round table a lot. Thx for that.

Really would like more sounds though ;).


  • Mining crystal replaced by new one
  • Ore hold full
  • Market order sold out completely
  • ...


Hope your team will have a good base now to move the extra things forward ;).


yea, more sounds , for certain things. agreed.
the automated sounds of cargohold and mining crystals are definitely on my list. or auto reloading modules.

market sold out, you mean, if you open the market and there is absolutely nothing ? or if what you are selling has been sold?


If your order has 101/101 sales listed

And I sell a few today, and a few tomorrow, and suddently a relister buys all, I would like to know, let it give a sound. :D, would be great. Rest of list I would have to think on ;)


totally. a form of cue on how much was sold or was all of it sold and so on.
perhaps a checkbox saying "partial reminder" or "complete reminder" whenever the items where sold more than 50% or 100% (or bought, for that matter)

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#496 - 2014-05-06 12:44:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Hey WNT!

*PRAISE*
Roundtable as you may have gathered was fricking awesome! Was great to finally meet you and have a chat.

*IDEA*
An idea on the "Cargo Hold Capacity" warning: Could it be configurable on a slider so I can set when it's 70% full or 90% full etc.
Just a thought in case you were considering going down that route.

*IDEA*
I like options, a slider is good but would it be possible to have a click to mute instead of sliding a slider all the way to the left? I don't want to use it but it would b easier to just click the name of the sound I want to mute rather than sliding all the way to left multiple times.

*PRAISE*
Those warp in sounds as well, hell yes!

O7

Edit: I call this the "happy sandwich" and you're gonna wanna take a bite Lol
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#497 - 2014-05-06 12:52:31 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Hey WNT!

*PRAISE*
Roundtable as you may have gathered was fricking awesome! Was great to finally meet you and have a chat.

*IDEA*
An idea on the "Cargo Hold Capacity" warning: Could it be configurable on a slider so I can set when it's 70% full or 90% full etc.
Just a thought in case you were considering going down that route.

*IDEA*
I like options, a slider is good but would it be possible to have a click to mute instead of sliding a slider all the way to the left? I don't want to use it but it would b easier to just click the name of the sound I want to mute rather than sliding all the way to left multiple times.

*PRAISE*
Those warp in sounds as well, hell yes!

O7

Edit: I call this the "happy sandwich" and you're gonna wanna take a bite Lol


Good idea with the cargo hold full slider, and the muting as well. getting it in is the hard part!!! ;)
And thanks for digging the roundtable, it was way more full than last year and the attention this year on audio has been really great, actually put a little hope back in me :D

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#498 - 2014-05-06 13:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
Good idea with the cargo hold full slider, and the muting as well. getting it in is the hard part!!! ;)
And thanks for digging the roundtable, it was way more full than last year and the attention this year on audio has been really great, actually put a little hope back in me :D


I think the motivation and enthusiasm works both ways, I'm like a shotgun at the moment with so many ideas of things I want to do it's unreal! Sound is a really important part of my EvE experience and environmental awareness.

I'm not too keen on the "sound when enemies\below neutrals land on grid". I think it's too much but that's me.

Ah I know we throw ideas at you and I know you have to go through Design\UI but your a good sounding board for things that might be good. Which brings me to this one:

*IDEA*
What about an electronic interference\static-like sound when you have EWAR being inflicted upon you...you know because of Falcon lol. Thought it might be a cool thing.

Summer cannot come quickly enough for that warp-in sound and graphics, so much like this video [AfterFX] Eve Online alternate warp effect or Battlestar Galactica FTL travel.
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#499 - 2014-05-06 14:21:41 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:
Good idea with the cargo hold full slider, and the muting as well. getting it in is the hard part!!! ;)
And thanks for digging the roundtable, it was way more full than last year and the attention this year on audio has been really great, actually put a little hope back in me :D


I think the motivation and enthusiasm works both ways, I'm like a shotgun at the moment with so many ideas of things I want to do it's unreal! Sound is a really important part of my EvE experience and environmental awareness.

I'm not too keen on the "sound when enemies\below neutrals land on grid". I think it's too much but that's me.

Ah I know we throw ideas at you and I know you have to go through Design\UI but your a good sounding board for things that might be good. Which brings me to this one:

*IDEA*
What about an electronic interference\static-like sound when you have EWAR being inflicted upon you...you know because of Falcon lol. Thought it might be a cool thing.

Summer cannot come quickly enough for that warp-in sound and graphics, so much like this video [AfterFX] Eve Online alternate warp effect or Battlestar Galactica FTL travel.


yea, it's all in the tweaking. a lot of stuff could be done, but a lot of that stuff would also be too much.
and for all this we are probably looking at a long planning schedule anyway, so we'll start from one end or another.

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#500 - 2014-05-06 18:04:27 UTC
sound of someone locking you would be cool. i kept the "target them back" option on for a long time just to hear when someone is about to attack you.

also... the new supersonic boom warp sound effect already solves the "new ship on grid" problem :)

another sound which i would love to have is a "cloak failed" sound which notifies you if something decloakes you for whatever reason

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value