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Here's the thing: by giving us access to this information through the API for years and then suddenly pulling the plug, you ARE making game design changes.

I can accept that if you were designing the API from scratch, including kill information in wh systems does not make a huge amount of sense. But YOU did, you included it, and you let the playerbase get used to having access to that information.

And now you are trying tp pull the plug, changing the way we play the game, without thinking about the consequences of that change. You are changing the game design, intentionally or otherwise, so you do not get to use that as an excuse.

It means that we get our intel from the small ammount of info available. Unlike null, our sources are very limited and we got very good at making the most of it. And you pretend to remove that.

Dev fixes api design flaw: everyone flips their ****

You weren't supposed to have access to this data initially, there are other ways to gather the Intel you want.

Deal Wiz It

Yeah, sorry, that was the plural "you." I wasn't specifically accusing the poster in the quote (you) of it. I don't really know who in this thread lives in wormholes and who doesn't.

Not trolling you at all. Pointing out the logical conclusion to your ask. All of which still result in them nuking it from the API. The only real question is timing.

This.

Null and other areas of Eve have an abundance of intel. You only need to jump into any system and see everyone who is there and who they are allied with, etc. Hell you don't even need to jump in to find out everything you practically need to know just from the map - NPC kills, ship kills, pilots in space, etc.

If you remove more and more sources of intel pretty soon you're left with blind people who are just scrabbling around in the dark on the off chance that they might bump into someone to shoot.

Ok maybe that's hyperbole but sometimes rolling holes to find targets knowing full well that the deck is already stacked against you the moment the K162 appears can get pretty boring fast. Having an established chain suddenly show signs of life can be a satisfying reward for previous work, and a nice change of pace from whatever else was going on at that point.

At the very least I'd like to see a change like this coincide with something, some scrap from the table that actually benefits people who are looking to fight in wormholes - e.g. delayed K162s. The new scanner was already a kick in the teeth, removing this is another kick further down!

(ok I can't stop with the hyperbole)

It's not a sin to make money in wormholes, for many of us being to make good money and have fun pvping is the sole reason that we moved in wormholes.

The fact is that wormhole space is slowly turning into a risk-free carebear zone. It's not about the api removal, which is sad but not something we won't learn to deal with in time. It's just that the incentives to make content in wh space are harder and harder to reach.

The fact that since the what you me call it scanner update you don't even need a prober anymore means we not have a lot more farmers who survive because you have to be a bloody Idiot to not watch for sigs.

Allready in wh space you need to have many alts, having to drop a scout in every system if you want to see when farmers farms is just so much effort and might make just wonder

Still worth it? Wormhole space is uncharted territory, but it's getting to easy to make risk-free isk in wh space,*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

You obviously don't know how this works. You can't monitor neighboring systems in real time because this API endpoint already has a delay on TOP of the caching of data. So at best you will be 30 minutes late, at worse you will be an hour late. Which is all the time needed for many cap escalations. I am not even going to mention that before doing Sleeper sites anyone who is worth anything will collapse all incoming and outgoing connections, an action that cannot be seen in API or anywhere else. So yeah, this data is not used for Real Time fights.

Where this endpoint can be used is to setup logoff traps, without this data it would take forever to come across a group doing sites in w-space, then it will take days to stalk them to figure out their site running patterns and hours. Its too much work for too little reward while the bears will keep on killing sleepers in safety.

Long overdue. Do it as soon as possible.

Well this won't effect me and how I find my targets I'm much too small time.


But I feel a bigger picture must be looked at. As it stands the only real way to deal with capital escalation farm gangs (which are a problem imo) is to either roll into them or log off trap. Blood Union has essentially perfected the process and has become the wormhole farmers 'boogy man'. BU have had a significant impact on wormhole farmers, that impact is being felt by someone.

The removal of this intel tool makes those famers safer, there is no denying it.

"Tinfoil hat time"

Why now? Why is CCP doing this now, what is also occurring in the game that would drive the need for CCP to extend its arms to protect farmers.

PLEX. CCP is a business plain and simple. Their actions have been totally consistent with making money.

The simple truth is, there are more bears in this game than there are PVPers. CCP is simply providing for the majority.

If this was anything about "as intended" it would have been fixed years ago. No one in a effective business goes around 'fixing' things that have already been accepted years down the road... Just because someone dusted off a 2 year old BRD and said "OOO yea its really not suppose to be like this!" And if that's the case... We have bigger issues on our hands.

The plan truth is, this change looks very suspicious because of its late timing and total irrelevance to how the community operates.

What can we do about it? Zip. The wormhole pvp community is simply too small.

CCP owns all code, owns this account and owns this post. We are simply subscribers... little long term wallets that may or may not continue to throw money at them.

EVE will always be my love, but unnecessary changes to the one environment that actually works proves the DEVs are simply out of touch with what made me fall in love with this game, its community.

Sad.