Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Concord is inept.

They cant even quell a riot, making hi-sec not so "hi-sec."

When the Jita riots broke out, Concord should have had some titans pop in, and firehose the whole crowd.

Concord is there to punish the attacker, not protect the victim.

Concord does it's job very well.

I think that the fact that highsec is not 100% safe needs to be reinforced some more, with explosions. Any tinkering with Concord will be met with adaption on the part of suicide gankers everywhere.

For example a faster Concord response would result in gankers bringing more ships firepower to get the job done in the allocated time period.

Maybe I'm being overly hopeful ... but I hope the changes start re-inforcing the stance CCP used to hold with things ...

Also, why would Concord need Titans, their BS's can already kill one in seconds, without a cooldown timer lol.

True enough, I've altered the post to reflect this.

CONCORD was created to keep peace between the 4 empires not to prevent crimes. As we saw with both Yulai and Luminere CONCORD only has as much power and authority as the four empires gives it. This is why the leviathan blatantly just destroyed a CONCORD ship. In terms of firepower yes, they do have more, but we have seen the 4 empires will do whatever they want. In terms of storyline, the capsuleers are slowly overthrowing the empires. So it would make sense that they are able to commit a crime without CONCORD stopping them. However, they can still be punished for it.

In terms of crimewatch, it has grown and significantly got more powerful. Used to you could gank someone and get away with it, not anymore, your actions are 100% accountable. In that respect CONCORD is already balanced. I dont think nerfing it is a good idea, I mean this is after all high security space and while you aren't safe, you should still feel a certain satisfaction if knowing that if you die so too will the other person.

I'm going to derail the crap out of this and get something useful out of a topic that pops up every other day.

The last two people who posted seem to know quite a bit of lore, which CCP seems to enjoy obfuscating. Do either of you have any links to sources of accurate and organized information on the history of the EvE universe, or am I going to have to be satisfied with being drip-fed for the next 5 years?

Check out the chronicles, backstory, and short stories. Also read the EVE Books -- Empyrean Age, The Burning Life, and Templar One. Read Empyrean Age before Templar One (they're a series). Doesn't matter if/when you read the other one, it's not part of the series.

We (capsuleers) are actually the "replacements" to the typical front line fleets (came about after the last Gallente / Caldari war a hundred and change years ago). Thing is, the empires do employ capsuleer-flown vessels to their fleets, we just happen to have not chosen that route, in general. If we really wanted to we could obliterate them right now (though we'd need to work together).

Rats (belt and mission) are so "easy" because they're bridge-crew commanded (i.e. captain, first officer, helm, weapons, blah...), so they can't react as fast, or push the ship as far as we can.

Hmmm. Suicide ganks.
Hmm hisec should not be safe for all.
Hmmmm risk reward.
Hmm CCP should not interfere in the sandbox.

Ok that is out of the way.
Suicide ganks have a valid place in EvE.
I absolutely approve of suicide ganks.

However, there is a slight issue, because CCP set the rules, the only sandbox here is the ability to use those rules to find a place to play our way.

Suicide ganks, are actually nothing of the sort.
They are lose a cheap replaceable ship ganks.
Because those are the preconditions.

Prey say that The rules are biased against them, they lose high value assets for minimum cost to the Ganker. Theres some truth in that.
Gankers say we lose high value ships too! Well the truth is that anyone any good makes sure that things are heavily in their favour.

The truth is that whatever targets do there is no true defence. We just need to be honest enough to admit it.

We have the opportunity to Gank due to the rules CCP apply. We like to pretend that is the "sandbox"
Only how we choose to play in that sandbox has relevance beyond the rules.

So Back to the main point.
Suicide ganking is not suicide at all.
It is cheap and almost all conditions can be predicted, the only variable if well done is the loot drop.
So let suicide ganking have a slightly higher cost applied.
CCP decide the rules of our sandbox, so we have no right to believe that things should always be in our favour.

The only thing we currently lose in a gank, as we certainly should gain more than we lose unless we are griefing, is time to reship.
In fact most prey equate griefing with suicide ganking. And unless highly blinged or carrying out of balance cargos, will never encounter a true suicide ganker. So they are actually devaluing a valid profession for thir own kicks.

So a simple solution should it ever be decided that one is needed.
The only item lost be a true suicide ganker is time. Ships etc are more than replaced by the drop in loot.
A grief ganker however does not care about value or asset gain. That is just a bonus. Unhappiness is his currency, Again his main loss is time.

So let a podkill result from a Gank in HS.
No risk there, gankers usually use naked clones and there is just a small cost with buying a new clone.

The solution is to Podjump the ganker after death a number of systems away, the greater the disparity between loot drop and fleet loss, the further away one is podjumped. (24 hour jumpclone timer is started with podjump) with true griefers being jumped into deep null. Medical clones cannot be moved in this period .
Fresh kills will be added to this podjump number for 24 hours. So if two for example and each had 10 jumps then that would be a 20 jump for the second action.

So in summation, a cost of suiciding is added without in any way penalising commercial gankers other than the normal process applying that one should do it for profit.

Serial grief gankers, will take longer and longer each time to return. This will encourage them to take the profession seriously, and select their targets for value other than popping new players, and people who can be upset to the maximum degree.

So in summation. A net neutral for professional Gankers with the bonus of increasing the respectability of their profession as a valid and acceptable choice.
A negative for Grief gankers, with the positive of reinforcing behaviour that benefits them and their victims. Leading to a better play experience for both.

True grief gankers, will still be able to continue, but the impact of them will be reduced, as they will spend a lot of time travelling.

The proposal is fully compatible with the concept of risk reward and the sandbox and a better expression of the concept than currently exists.

I will not reply. Or refer back to this thread. You may agree or disagree as you wish.