Player Features and Ideas Discussion

@Daenika, CCP cannot force people to play however they can do their best to encourage it as much as possible, having to login to the game is essentially the first step. Congrats on the missioning alt, but to be honest to not utilize your toon during that period is kinda dumb, you could have at least used it for some sort of passive income. Just my personal opinion on that point. But you spent 6 month training a toon and I bet there was little to no issue keeping your skill queue full. From the sounds of it you were/are annoyed that you couldn't just set it and come back to a skilled toon... pretty lazy. You're also right CCP get their money either way, but as the player it's YOUR responsibility to keep your account training. We pay CCP for that ability, not guaranteed SP.

@Octoven what you mention is something I DO support a solution for, I would prefer the CREST thing not be a feature in the future but I'm not going to fervently speak against it. Just not a good idea in my opinion.

And such is your opinion. I'd love to know what sort of passive income you can think of, however, that doesn't require any additional training (since my L4 training plan only barely fit within the 6 dual-training PLEX).



I was fortunate to not have any issues, therefore no one ever has any legitimate issues. Sounds legit...

As the posted above, I've lost my desktop for weeks before due to an RMA (in my case, my MoBo). All of my other devices are Android, and I sure as hell am not giving my account information to someone in a game environment like EVE, that's flat foolhardy. If I'd actually been subscribed at that time, I'd have been SOL.

Fact is, they flat need either extended skill queues, or an alternative way to update them. I'm personally in favor of an API that applications like EVEMon could interface with, but I'm also partial to subscription-length queues, or hell, even no-limit queues that simply cap on number of skills that can be queued at a time, rather than a maximum amount of time (the current skill queue systemalready a limit on number of skills that can be queued, it's just rarely encountered in normal use).



And where was it written that that responsibility had to be as cumbersome and annoying as possible? We're asking for a way to maintain that responsibility more easily when emergencies happen. That's what extended skill queues are about. Can you give me ONE solid reason why they shouldn't be in that doesn't ultimately boil down to one of the following?

- You're a bittervet and dislike new players having it easier than you had it starting out.
- You've never need it, and thus find it impossible to conceive of others needing it.
- Trying to imply that forcing people to log in to a game they are playing for will at all incline them to play it, when the money they are paying for it doesn't do so already.

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This is very valid. I've discontinued my subscription in the past because the hassle of logging in to update my skill queue without much gameplay opportunities otherwise wasn't worth it. If, however, I only had to log in, say, once every month or so, or just let EVEMon update the skills through the API, I probably would have stayed subscribed, because I always knew I'd come back to play again, I just needed to find more play time and people to play with. CCP would have made more money, ultimately, because I'd have been paying for another 6-8 months of subscription time that I didn't end up paying for because of the hassle of skill queue management.

And I know I'm not alone in that, either.

You are right, of course, but what it does do is open up a lot more options. You would still log in every day to keep the queue full 'just in case' but it would be far easier to not 'have' to any particular day.

It just helps players that me that have other hobbies outside eve. I don't necessarily want to log in every day. I want to take a week off here and there, and when I am off I sure don't want to have to RDP because I have ran out of skills that fit into my RL schedule.

Whoever mentioned 'get a friend to do it' earlier in the thread should be banned for encouraging breaking the Eula.

no this is a terrible idea you should stop having those they're bad.

if you can't get on for an unknown period of time you set a long skill

if you can't get on for about a week you train a skill that's going to take more than a week

if you have none of those options well then that's your problem for poor planning

it will stay this way coz ccp thinks if you have to log to update skiills you may play a while too and contibiute to the world by geting kiled.

but soon we may be able to change skill que out side of the game on phone or whot ever Thx to crest

Yes. And my name has everything to do with it. **** off already.

I Don't think i do.

Eve is all about the skill queue to get places you want to be in the game, if you're planning on not playing the game, what's the point in having a longer queue, to train a character to make isk even though you'd put more isk into it to just keep the subscription up?

Regardless, you can still queue up long skills like 30day skills, having an external place to update the queue wouldn't be playing eve would it?

There are api keys available to monitor when your queue is going to expire, i'd say that's more than enough.

If you have a problem with that, i'd suggest you go play WoW some more...

I don't see the point... 24 hours is enough

After you get like 20 or more mill SP you hardly need to change skills that often. Most of my toons about now are training 5 days to 20 day skills on average, so its not that much of bugger.

True it would be nice to be able to change the skills in training through eve gate so I don't need to log out my main to change skill on my other toon on same account, but not so much of an issue

The argument that players should need to log in, in order to update the skill queue, appears based off of one of two things.
1. It should be difficult, because in the past it was even harder than this. Go back in time and give me back my skill time I lost or forget it.
2. Some players are easily influenced, and seeing the shiny log in graphics will make them forget other plans and start playing the game instead. (I know, it sounds like a joke, but the exposure to EVE's log in may seem like a commercial for the game)

The argument for needing only a web page or app, is based off the equally if not more likely version of events, where a player is either unable to log in due to technical issues, or is simply taking a break from the game.

As such, the game for them can be described as 'breakage'
The player is paying for a product or service not being used. Almost comparable to a charitable donation to the game, really.

Now, if you push these people to need the technical hardware, as well as the time and availability to log in as needed up to once every 24 hour period, in order to justify the continued income to CCP...
Maybe you dislike CCP?

Most of these arguments ultimately boil down to people believing that all other players should be as committed or more to the game as them, and that anyone that isn't, anyone that doesn't plan their life around EVE, that wouldn't have been willing to set a 3:30 AM alarm to update their skill queue back in the dark ages of EVE, that doesn't have a security vulnerability application installed on their computer, that doesn't violate the EULA and open up a ridiculous security vulnerability to their account by sharing their account information with a friend (in a game where it's said that you're supposed to sell out your own grandmother for a sufficient amount of Isk), that doesn't foresee unforeseeable circumstances like hardware crashes...

No, all of these people are simply not playing the game sufficiently fervently, and thus don't deserve access to it.

It's bittervets hating anyone that has it easier than them (despite the fact that EVE's continued existence and growth essentially hinges on attracting new players to the game). It's players whose lives revolve rather unhealthily around EVE, and either have internalized this and believe anyone's whose life isn't so centered is less worthy of playing, or who unconsciously deplore such attachment, and thus lash out at anything that would provide evidence of such addiction (because hey, right now they have to log in every day, and who's then to blame them if they go out and get a kill...then spend 4 hours gassing....then run a dozen missions...then join a fleet roam....etc).

There has yet to be a single counter argument that doesn't ultimately boil down to either disgruntled projection, and inability to conceive of others finding use in a system oneself has never absolutely needed, or the wholly fallacious argument that forcing people to log in to update their skill queue increases the active player population and might "trick" players into playing more (when they already have a $15/month (or ~700m isk/month) deficit convincing them to).

Seriously, step away from your personal incredulity, bitterness, and lashing out, and realize that this does nothing to harm the game (literally, no statistically significant harm at all), and makes the game a LOT easier to access for many players, particularly those with more limited play schedules, more unstable play schedules, or those without the SP to drop a 60 day train into their queue when they go on vacation. CCP makes more money, the game is not harmed and likely ultimately has more active players in the long run, an no one that came before is harmed except to put their ridiculously EVE-centric lifestyle in a bit more sharp contrast.