EVE General Discussion

Im posting this here but im sure it will be moved. If some of you are concerned the Dust 514 forums are in open revlot at the DUST 514 keynote. I must admit I have serious doubts as to the professionalism of game company that hyped this product and is now abandoning it. I have serious concerns about the how an EA executive producer does not see the potential for revenues being generated by cross platform games and why the 180 back to PC.

Legion is DUST 514 and the game magazines have already rated it. Those that would've played it have tried it. I have concerns for a game company that cant port Unreal onto the PS4 or X box ! . Hardcore FPS players have judged this game based on its performance. Those 2.5k peak player base will be conservatively halved if they even move or much less can afford too.

I have real world concern about the ethics of a company that would do this to there player base. In looking at this companies track record with past projects we see a trend of failure and a stand alone that's best traits are player driven and all the others have failed. Valkyrie and any future projects that CCP considers will have this massive blight as well as others to contend with along with crushed consumer confidence.

Gamers are gamers regardless of platform and as such its doubtful IMO that a polished version of DUST renamed will be met with some epic reception by the PC community when DUST community of regular long term players are those of you or those who have played EVE online and own PC's as well.

IMO Project Legion is a joke. It'll take more than haze and a tree or a still frame pic thru a bay door to bring any real player immersion.You forget that PC game consumers are alot harsher Critiqs of trash when something is trash.

I guess we can chalk this one up to walking in stations, world of darkness, and now DUST in its long list of fails.
Im also thinking you should get some of your people into some drug rehab programs starting with Praetorian to keep the rest of us from suffering from his grandiose pipe dreams.

yeah when you get original

Dont hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

EVE online is stagnating and CCP knows this. They've known this for sometime. Thus why they came up with the Idea to DUST 514. This will have long standing repercussions on CCP and anything they do in the future. That should concern you if you are all concerned about the companies future and where EVE fits into that.

Legion will need literally 50x the content of Dust at beta/release (lol CCP and their silly releases ) just to not get passed of as a joke.

PC, the home of FPS, a massive **** has been taken already on CCP credibility with how they handled their Dust presentation at fanfest, it is nothing like the coup de grace waiting for them if they dont up their game on a massive scale if they release Legion like they did Dust.

My heart goes out to consoleers, they got the all 4 inches of the shaft, I can just only hope CCP can get their **** together with legion because as you say, PC is a whole new market in the realm of FPS and people wont stick around longer than 5 seconds due to any free to play gimmick.

Well, it was called DUST because it would become vaporware and it was given the number 514 because it was set to end on May, 2014.

This of course was all approved by the Reptilian high-command.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong about anything below, but;



DUST 514 is planned to continue in active development. This was stated by the keynote. Transfers will be offered to players who want to migrate to Legion.



This was the first time CCP ever undertook making a first person shooter, and on something other than the PC to boot.
When it comes down to it, a game making company - while completely responsible for its actions - is nothing more than a bunch of humans. Imperfect, mistake prone humans. I for one am happy they had the guts to try something completely different and outside of their expertise.

And now they are developing a First Person Shooter on familiar territory (personal computers) with the added benefit of having gained valuable, hard lessons from mistakes made.



The fact that CCP have been completely open and willing to fix mistakes is, when compared to most other studios responsible for MMO development, almost unheard of.

In fact, the entire philosophy of development was changed to a focus on shorter release times for fixing issues that appeared, and releasing content in more easily managed chunks than massive content updates that remain buggy for months afterward. Due to popular opinion.



I, too, judge completely unreleased (and not even half developed) projects before we even see gameplay videos.

Not one person knows how significantly Legion will differ from Dust 514, except for maybe CCP themselves. And as a repeat of my last point, it will be developed on a more familiar platform with experience gained in the development of DUST.

In fact, I have only gained respect from their willingness to try completely new, risky projects - as opposed to the unwillingness of most companies to advance beyond comfortable formulas.



1) Walking in stations was put on development hold in favor of additional focus being placed on fixes and quality of life improvements.

2) DUST is still going to be a thing.

3) World of Darkness is probably the only thing that would even come close to anyone's definition of failure. In my opinion, canceling a project that is having severe development problems is a far, far wiser move than releasing what could have potentially been an abomination of a game.

I am really growing weary of the consistent use of double standards.

Complaints are made that CCP is starting to slack off in development, and what do they do?

They reveal development of what will be player built stargates, a desperately needed sov revamp, not to mention tons of other new content. Basically what will be the most content expansive releases in EVE Online's history. For you to dismiss them as drug abusers is an utterly foolish, immature, and ignorant remark.

I have seen people asking for massive additions of content, and now CCP is planning to deliver just that. I fail to see why - even after countless genuine attempts to get in the good spirits of the playerbase - they are still coming under so much criticism.

I, for one, am nothing but completely optimistic about what has been announced, and I eagerly await the day where I can charge into these new frontiers with my EVE friends.

DUST 514's "active development" prior to Legion was paltry at best. There will be no further development of DUST after Legion is released. You can pretty much count on that.

Yeah, there isn't likely to be a lot of new content... much like most of the games out there for console you get what you get... but they did say that bug fixes and improvements would continue.

The bite here is to the people that were counting on what CCP had "planned" to do... and I get that, I really do. But sometimes the reality of a situation trumps what you have (with the best of intentions) planned to do.

And here is where you begin to show your true colors.

Actually, they have delivered a product, just not the product they wanted to deliver. There is nothing holding them back from developing it on PC.