EVE General Discussion

The only thing wrong with T2 BPOs is that there is no legit way to get them without having to buy them from somebody like a chump. :colbert:

E: Oveur Did Nothing Wrong.

T2 BPOs should have be wiped out when invention got introduced, it shouldnt have taken this long

Reverse lottery: you win it, you lose your BPOs. It's only fair.

stop sounding like a stupid scrub, T2 BPOs outside the scope of invention should and WILL be eradicated.

/thread

Except, of course, that he is right.

If this comes to pass, I'll adapt and adjust as I always have. Invention has always been far more lucrative for me than my T2 BPO's have anyway... which is precisely the same boat all others producing with them are in.

The only markets where T2 BPO's out pace Invention in terms of percentage of supply are those items that move very slowly in comparison with the rest of the market (my Pilgrim BPO is an excellent example of this). It's kind of hard to become filthy rich with a slow manufacturing BPO of an item that isn't particularly popular.

Someone brought to my attention some figure a dev dragged out a couple of years ago that said Pilgrim's produced from invention only made up 20% of their total sales, with the rest coming from T2 BPO's. Now we all know that Pilgrims are not exactly in high demand, so I suppose that might still be true.

But consider that Pilgrims are about to be buffed. If this process turns out well their popularity will sky rocket, while the amount produced from BPO's will not change. The lions share will be created from Invention, just like 2/3rds of the products for which T2 BPO's are available.

Now what factor do you think would hold those prices (which will inevitably rise) in check? Yeah, you guessed it... T2 BPO producers. In fact, the main factor keeping the prices in line on all T2 items are the fact that some influence on pricing is exerted from the slow but steady supply of these items created from BPO's.

So you folks go right ahead making things "fair" for everyone at the greedy T2 BPO owners expense, it won't bother me a bit. In fact I'll be highly amused as prices start trending steadily upwards on all T2 items, especially on my soon to be buffed Pilgrims and for the ever popular Guardians that I also produce. Since my Invention lines have always been far more profitable due to sheer volume, I'll be just fine.

Will you?

How are they broken? Just sounds like a bunch if Indy people mad that they don't have one. Exactly how are they broken?

Apparently they long for the olden days, where a good HAC could cost from 300 to 500mil and up.

Of course, back then you'd be on a waiting list for it for a few months as well.

*citation needed*

The solution to T2 BPOs was invention, and it's done its job. You just need to see the price reduction of Cap Recharger IIs pre and post invention to see this.

This whole topic and been trashed out over the years in many threads and I'm yet to read a cohesive argument why any further action should be taken. T2 BPOs have lost their power, there are only a few markets left where they still dominate, and this is due to low demand. If anything the action CCP should take is to buff these items to increase demand and encourage invention participation.

T2 BPOs are something for industrialist to aspire to, just as PvP alliances aspire to own a titan. However they are not the be all and end all of the game.

What a dull game it would be without something to aspire to. Yes even industrialists need something to aspire to. This is not hello kitty island adventure, or some other game where everyone is treated equally. This is Eve Online. The world is cruel, and you don't get what you want, but you have the opportunity to. If anyone wants to remove T2 BPOs from the game, buy them out and trash them, or infiltrate corporations who own them and steal them.