Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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People logging on to simply update their skill queue and logoff generate nothing except the brief perception that there is one more "active" player. Updating your skill queue is not generating content.

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longer queue will only help.

I don't really understand the skill queue limit either. Logging in for five minutes does not constitute playing the game. I shouldn't have to queue up some Level 5 skill that I don't want now, versus some 3/4 skills that I do want, just because I'm going on vacation.

Sure, the times may be few and far between that you can't access your computer once a day to adjust your queue. But that's no good reason why it should be limited.

The skill queue was only added as a feature to help mitigate SP loss when your main skill had finished. It wasn't added as a benefit to skill plan management. Want that feature, it exists.... it's called EvEmon.



I wouldn't say more experienced.... ok I guess I will. As a vetted pilot of this game I was playing when this feature came out, when patch days were exactly that patch DAYS. After a patch stability was ****, and CCP implemented the queue as a way for players to have a backup skill(s) so they didn't HAVE to wake up at O'dark thirty to set a damn skill. Newer pilots who've always had this feature are flat out spoiled in this regard. Just login.

The fact is it's NEVER a big task to login, if you're resourceful enough you'll find a way or you stop training for a period of time OH NOOEEEESSS! You keep missing the point which is that the queue isn't for setting a chain of skills because of either apathy or poor time management. It was put in place to keep players from losing SP, which before even if you were staring at your skill tree when something finished you'd still lose a nominal amount. To answer why it's a bad idea to have a larger queue? It would be harmful to the character trading economy as well as promote further apathy among the already disillusioned and would probably lead to a decrease in player activity by some percentage.

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Ya'll don't seem to realize, extending the skill queue doesn't (generally) mean you can log in any less. If you're, for example, chain-training 4-16 day level V's (like me), having a 3 day skill queue still only lets me queue one extra at a time. I still have to log in once per skill, at a minimum, to add it to the queue.

What it does is opens a larger window for me to do that during. If I'm out of town for the weekend, I don't have to worry about screwing with my training schedule because my current skill ends 29 hours from when my flight takes off.

The only ones that wouldn't have to log in as often are the lower-SP players that are chain-training II's and III's that only take a few hours each. They could set a few days worth at once (though keep in mind, they'd still have to log on to inject any new skills once the pre-reqs had been complete), and those aren't generally the type of players likely to randomly go gank someone because they logged in to update their queue.

Extended skill queues don't make the game any easier, any more than adding the skill queue in the first place did. It doesn't even mean logging in less often (in most cases), just like with the original skill queue. It just means less hassle and less having to plan your life around EVE. It's a quality of life issue, not an ease of gameplay issue.

I also tend to concur that adding an API for updating your skills would be awesome. Frankly, if the only thing that gets someone to log in is their skill queue anyway, why are the paying for the game? If that's their only reason for logging in, they aren't going to be generating content while online anyway (any more than I generated any content logging in every day or two while doing the 6-month train for my HS L4 Tengu alt). If they are generating content, they are probably going to be logging in anyway, because they actually enjoy playing.

And CCP makes their money either way.

Well sorta, basically people kept bitching when extended down times cost players SP because they didn't set a long skill pre-patch. It took years of moaning and groaning and finally they gave the twenty four hour queue. For new characters just joining eve it was a routine when you logged after being away IRL. You'd login swap from a long skill to the shorter running skills while you were playing and when you went to log off you set a skill that would hold you over till next login. That sorta thing was highly annoying for 1-2 week old toons, but once you get to skills taking 17+ hours or more its just skill management from that point forward.

But CCP graced us with a queue that allotted players a 24 hour grace before the previous skill ended to set another one. It's a slippery slope, so 24->48->72->96->120 etc etc. How long of a queue would it take to please all the masses? There is always going to be some chud not happy that they have to login just because their skill is coming to an end. The player base has created so many tools tied to a characters API that there really isn't an excuse for any SP loss these days other than apathy or negligence. Going on a trip? Set a longer skill. Players are more than capable of keeping their accounts training, stop being lazy and/or stubborn.

No it wasn't at you, but if it makes you feel better why not. I really hate to do the "damned kids! get off my lawn!" routine but you seriously can't tell me that in the time it takes to train one of the longer skills you couldn't some how manage to get to a computer or ask someone to do it for you. I definitely understand how things can happen and pull you away from logging in, but I took steps to keep my training going. There are thousands of players that seem to pull this off seamlessly, I'm not sure why you're having such a difficult time with it. Even being two months old you can't tell me that right now you can't set a skill that would hold you over for atleast a week or two.

I also see there is a lot of mention in this thread of things that happen outside this game, and to be blunt how is this CCP's problem? They've made available a way to queue skills and frankly with this character I could manage training only 20+ day skills for months and only logging in to queue the next.


30-day queue for a 30 da..... no no no no no no NO NO NO.

The current iteration is more than fair.

Just examples for the "subscription based queue" argument, but I still disagree. At face value its sounds very fair, but they want people to play this game not create a bunch of characters drop the cash/plex on a years worth of subscription and then not login till it was time to sell/play the character. While it most certainly aides situations like yours, it could hurt the game on multiple fronts.